Leak indicates AMD Ryzen 9000X3D series CPU gaming performance will disappoint
That's according to an MSI presentation.
When it comes to performance in gaming benchmarks, AMD's Ryzen 9000-series does not exactly impress, due to the mediocre improvements observed over predecessors. Nevertheless, enthusiasts have kept alight higher hopes for the 3D V-Cache enabled Ryzen 9000X3D-series processors, expecting them to deliver a worthwhile performance uplift in games. Based on leaked images from an MSI presentation (via HardwareLuxx), though, their hopes may be dashed.
The leaked benchmarks of AMD's upcoming Ryzen 9000X3D series indicate rather muted performance gains over the previous Ryzen 7000X3D and non-3D Ryzen 9000 models. In fact, we are talking about 11% to 13% higher gaming performance for both 8-core and 16-core CPUs, at least based on the presentation from MSI. Yet, there are more things to worry about.
Based on the slides, the Ryzen 9000X3D-series outperforms the Ryzen 7000X3D by 11% (the 8-core Ryzen 7 9800X3D) to 13% (the 16-core model Ryzen 9 9950X3D) in gaming, as demonstrated in titles like Far Cry 6, Shadow of the Tomb Raider, and Black Myth: Wukong. It should be noted that the new CPUs were run at the same frequency as the previous generation processors, which in the case of the 3D V-Cache-enabled variants is hard to achieve as formally they are not overclockable.
Perhaps, a more depressing thing about the new Zen 5-based CPUs is that according to MSI's benchmarks, the new Ryzen 9000X3D with a 64MB of additional 3D V-Cache can barely beat typical Ryzen 9000-series CPUs at the same 5.20 GHz fixed frequency. Yet, AMD's typical Ryzen 9000-series processors tend to run at higher speeds. That said, while we can expect AMD's new X3D processors to offer a high single-thread performance in general due to a better memory subsystem, we definitely have questions about their performance advantage over typical Ryzen 9000-series CPUs.
Yet, while we can question the performance advantage of AMD's Ryzen 9000X3D given the limited number of benchmarks and increased clocks over the prior generation, we should keep in mind that we are dealing with unofficial numbers that come from a third party. The actual performance of AMD's Ryzen 9000X3D family will be found out in our own independent testing in due course.
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Anton Shilov is a contributing writer at Tom’s Hardware. Over the past couple of decades, he has covered everything from CPUs and GPUs to supercomputers and from modern process technologies and latest fab tools to high-tech industry trends.
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kaalus 13% fps increase over the fastest gaming CPU in the world, and you call that underwhelming?Reply -
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Also: "It should be noted that the new CPUs were run at the same frequency as the previous generation processors".kaalus said:13% fps increase over the fastest gaming CPU in the world, and you call that underwhelming?
Like, that's just an IPC brag (or more like a VCache+IPC one), since you could say, looking at Ry9K's current line up, that the new VCache'd CPUs will clock higher.
So that average is a baseline of potential increase, which makes it even better. This is under the caveat that I do believe the new 3D chips will clock higher.
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PCWarrior
It’s not a 13% average increase. It is 13% increase at best. MSI showed that the increase will range from 2% to 13% depending on the title. The 13% is about Far Cry 6 and it is an outlier.kaalus said:13% fps increase over the fastest gaming CPU in the world, and you call that underwhelming? -
uplink-svk Calling 2 - 13% increase in a light of utter failure of Intel's 200S line regarding gaming and power effeciency is a bit...awkward, don't You think?Reply
Intel's iterational bread and butter till AyMD came with Zen was what? iPC gain of 2 - 4% per generation of their never-ending "hegemony" of 4c/4t/8t CPU's beginning with Intel® Core™2 Quad Q6600 and ending with 7700K and arrival of Zen CPU's, where 1700X and 8700K broke the ice.
Now up to a double digit generational increase isn't enough? Come on Tom's Hardware, are You for real? 😒 -
usertests Post the slide, AntonReply
https://videocardz.com/newz/msi-leaks-ryzen-9000x3d-2-to-13-higher-gaming-performance-than-7000x3d
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blargh4 Disappointing for who? More "disappointment" based on leaks and pre-release benchmarks? God tech journalism is turning into just non-stop tedious clickbait.Reply -
Notton I think 11% to 13% max is okay if it's the same price, and they no longer sell the old one anyways.Reply -
hotaru251 double digit improvement is good...is this trying to make intel's "parity" sound not as bad?Reply
also if its not OC'd you lost a lot of performance as zen scales good w/ memory and Zen5 can hit higher speeds (thus better perfomance) -
Steve Nord_ AMD 10000 X3DD series: oops fam, microjet direct die cooling and Socket 6, clock it like a luser and kerb it if you want.Reply
Alt: One does not -simply walk- into MSI baseline overclocking benchmarks. -
thestryker I don't think a whole lot can necessarily be gleaned from 3 games, but two being 2% and one being 13% doesn't seem surprising.Reply
If you look at the 5700X3D vs the 5800X3D the performance difference doesn't even match the clock difference. HUB showed 4% lower performance on average with a range of 1-8% despite the 9% clock difference: https://www.techspot.com/review/2801-amd-ryzen-5700x3d/
With Zen 5 not being a meaningful uplift over Zen 4 for gaming it stands to reason the biggest benefit on a Zen 5 X3D part would be clock speed based. In theory that would mean similar results to the 5700X3D vs 5800X3D comparison.
The slides don't say that so I'm not sure where that part of the article came from. There was a singular Cinebench test done comparing the 8 and 16 core Zen 5 X3D parts with the 9700X/9950X at fixed frequency.-Fran- said:Also: "It should be noted that the new CPUs were run at the same frequency as the previous generation processors".
There's a Cinebench comparison of Zen 4 X3D and Zen 5 X3D that shows large increases which backs this up.-Fran- said:This is under the caveat that I do believe the new 3D chips will clock higher.
This is clearly a generic note as it appears on the fixed frequency slide as well when it clearly wouldn't apply. It may end up being accurate, and I hope it is, but by itself doesn't mean anything.usertests said:PERFORMANCE IS EXPECTED TO BE BETTER ON PR SAMPLES AND RETAIL CHIPS