AMD Radeon RX 480 Power Measurements Repeated And Clarified

Radeon RX 480 Power Measurements And Possible Causes

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  • ssdpro
    "Summary
    1. Our modified second round of measurements replicated the results of our first round. The amount of current flowing through the motherboard PCIe slot’s 12V rail exceeds the upper limit of the tolerance range described in the PCI-SIG specifications. Our repeated measurements of the reference card show currents 23 percent above the PCI-SIG norm."

    So, the summary was the same. The new article just puts more emphasis on the minimal risks/dangers than the compliance failure itself. Seems like an attempt to please someone, or appease some source of revenue.
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  • FormatC
    18227882 said:
    So, the summary was the same. The new article just puts more emphasis on the minimal risks/dangers than the compliance failure itself. Seems like an attempt to please someone, or appease some source of revenue.

    Totally wrong. Not only the summary is the same, the results are also totally similar. And exactly this is the difference to a lot of other re-benches I saw after the launch. I got a lot of feedback about our measuring methods and also had to read a lot of crap and allegations on other sites and forums. This was the reason why I simply does the same: low-res measuring, even more low-pass-filtering and enlarged pictures. Funny: nothing has been significant changed. This few spikes goes mostly in both directions, so you have the same average as cutted or smoothed curves (different choise).

    The new article just puts more emphasis on the technical background, possible reasons and the math behind if it's allowed to correct you with my own words :)

    The goal was to find the reason for the results and to be honest: my family lost the whole weekend with me and I lost over two days of my lifetime. That means: I does it not for my pleasure but I feel it's only fair to our readers to clarify something. :)

    And finally to be accurate: This is only a question of current, the power consumption is secondary. ;)
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  • Placobravo
    I wonder if they could simply solve this by a driver update, so that the card could function as any other card (which means taking most of the power from the 6-pin connector rather then the PCI-E).
    Anyway at this point it is clear to me that anybody wishing for an rx-480 should wait for aftermarket solution. Brands like Sapphire will definitely solve those issues :)
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  • frzsk
    Specifications covering just how much power is allowed to flow through the pins of a 16x PCIe motherboard slot were established a long time ago. However, saying that they include a maximum wattage isn’t just misleading, but flat out false.

    The PCI-SIG defines the maximum amperage for the 12V motherboard slot connector as 5.5A, with a maximum tolerance for voltage of plus or minus eight percent (see table below). A quick multiplication of this number by 12V yields either the reference point of 66W, or the maximum of 71W that includes the eight percent.

    EDIT:

    You say in the first paragraph that there's no max wattage but in the 2nd paragraph you say that there is one.
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  • FormatC
    18228013 said:
    I wonder if they could simply solve this by a driver update, so that the card could function as any other card (which means taking most of the power from the 6-pin connector rather then the PCI-E).
    Anyway at this point it is clear to me that anybody wishing for an rx-480 should wait for aftermarket solution. Brands like Sapphire will definitely solve those issues :)

    The protocoll, used by their PWM controller allows a re-balancing and it is in theory also possible to supply the whole card with only two of this oversized phases :)
    I'm sure they will move a little bit more load to the 6-pin PCIe, beacuse he is completely connected. My own tests showed that they will survive 300 watts and more without damage.

    18228022 said:
    Specifications covering just how much power is allowed to flow through the pins of a 16x PCIe motherboard slot were established a long time ago. However, saying that they include a maximum wattage isn’t just misleading, but flat out false.

    This is exactly what I wrote on top of page Two. Only the current is interesting, the voltage is within the ATX specs and a completely other story. The translation from German is not clear enough - in original I wrote, that this wattage product is used from the masses to simplify the problem but it is totally unusual ;)

    I wrote this also to our editor-in-chief and hope that he can fix it asap. Thx for finding. ;)
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  • JRHERITA
    This is bad - because over time that 23% spec will be harder and harder on the motherboard components. A chip that runs hotter consumes more power -- and an older GPU will certainly run hotter due to a less than perfectly clean case/GPU fan setup, the transistors aging (perhaps needing more voltage to work causing power to go up). On top of this, the motherboard connectors don't stay pristine forever, nor do the motherboard power circuits or even the power supply. Being overspec may work OK now, but in a few years, that's not so certain.
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  • gorgamin
    A real Electrical Engineer has answered some of the myths reviewers have been propagating. I think most of these reviewers need to go back to EE school (incl. Tomshardware) as they don't seem to grasp what they're saying.

    There is nothing wrong with the RX480
    https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/4rbw8p/facts_about_pcie_connectors/
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  • cilliers
    Tomshardware very seldom replicates experiments for the same product, so therefore this article looks really out of place. As I was reading this second article , I couldn't help imagining an angry AMD marketing man on the phone with the TH editor, demanding at least a second round of tests with a newly shipped card. This is so funny, especially the 6 points listed for clarification in the summary. By the way. "Assumptions" to an experiment always go in the paragraph about the experiment design, not at the back...FYI. This is just too funny. Thank you TH.
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  • octavecode
    Most GPU makers will just replace the 6pin with 8pin connector and maybe add a couple of phases or reroute them.
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  • FormatC
    18228079 said:
    A real Electrical Engineer...
    Ok, so the PCIE-SIG is wrong and a nursery... As I wrote: to be comparable to (older) hardware. Send this engineers's comedy to someone from the SI business, he will hit you :D

    Tomshardware very seldom replicates experiments for the same product, so therefore this article looks really out of place.
    Also wrong. They very seldom translated my content from German. To be honest: AMD is not paying for my pleasure or some sexual services. :D

    Also funny: yesterday I was totally Nvidia-biased, today I'm AMD biased. So what? :P

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