The State Of Solid State: Computex 2015

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NAND Flash Updates: TLC for Everyone

According to a report released by DRAMeXchange in March, three-bit-per-cell NAND will account for 50% of flash production in Q4 2015. Samsung has been shipping SSD-grade TLC flash since 2012. This technology either increases the density per die or reduces the die size. Either way, density per wafer (the fixed cost) goes up. Samsung has a large lead in flash technology, but the other fab players are reading TLC now.

At Computex 2015, Micron announced its 16nm B95 TLC flash. Third-party sources tell us the company is having issues with this product, with less than 60% of its cells usable. Retail drives ship with 97% or higher usable cells. On the surface, that sounds alarming. But all new flash goes through growing pains as the process is optimized. What the number really tells us is that Micron's 16nm TLC flash is still just far enough out that we don't need to consider it as an option for retail SSDs in 2015.

We've seen Toshiba's TLC flash at trade shows for several years now, and drives based on its A19 TLC (19nm) are coming soon. SanDisk already has an offering with the NAND, though the company uses its half of Flash Forward production for in-house products. Toshiba sells third parties flash after using what it needs. So, its 19nm TLC flash will likely fuel the next round of price reductions expected in November.

Moving beyond A19, Flash Forward is aggressively developing 15nm TLC, which maintains 128Gb density but increases the number of die you get per wafer. We were told that Toshiba's A19 MLC costs around 30% more than Micron's 16nm MLC. Toshiba's 15nm TLC should cost roughly 20% less than Micron's B95 (16nm TLC).

We also managed to track down some information about next-generation 3D NAND at Computex. Each company has a flashy name like Samsung's V-NAND and Toshiba/SandDisk's BiCS. For the sake of simplicity, we're calling it all 3D NAND.

IMFT will have a few different versions in 3D. L04/L05 are both MLC and B05 is TLC. In late 2016, a special version should take shape. B0KB is 3D TLC in 384Gb density (48GB). In just three die, IMFT will have 144GB that companies can over-provision down to 128GB. If everything turns out as planned, IMFT may have a solid advantage going into the holiday shopping season. Sadly, we're not talking about the one coming in just a few months, but rather in 2016.

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blackmagnum

The time is ripe to change your old spinning catastrophe and embrace the now of SSD.
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Vivecss

So have they fixed the data loss if not connected to electricity for more than a week thing?
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synphul

Spinning catastrophe? My hdd doesn't perform much slower than my ssd for 90% of tasks, the biggest improvement was installing windows. For that I was impressed. An hdd shouldn't be a catastrophe, if it is I'd strongly suggest a better brand/model. Installed an ssd on a workstation and of all the upgrades it was the component I was least happy with. The new cpu and ram upgrade were by far more impressive. Not that I'm 'unhappy' with it, it is a little snappier though not enough to make me rush right out to buy another one for my other rig. If another 240gb ssd goes on sale for $60 like the first one I bought I might consider it. Pcie m.2 look appealing and great on paper but I suppose it would be of greater benefit to someone who is suffering a bottlenecked system due to storage in the first place.
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CaedenV

So have they fixed the data loss if not connected to electricity for more than a week thing?
Yes, about 5 years ago.
SSDs are still no archival media, and they will corrupt after a year or two without power. But if you are the sort of person who travels a lot and unplugs your PC for 2-3 months at a time then it is not a real concern anymore.
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wtfxxxgp

So have they fixed the data loss if not connected to electricity for more than a week thing?

I'm so out of touch that I didn't even know that was "a thing"

O.o
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Vivecss

So have they fixed the data loss if not connected to electricity for more than a week thing?
Yes, about 5 years ago.
SSDs are still no archival media, and they will corrupt after a year or two without power. But if you are the sort of person who travels a lot and unplugs your PC for 2-3 months at a time then it is not a real concern anymore.

Really? 5 years ago? Because I've gone on vacation for about a month and my Windows wont even start anymore. And that was about a year ago. Heard a rumor that the 3D stacking technology thing managed to eliminate this problem and i was waiting for some more good news about that before buying a new SSD.

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CRamseyer

Spinning catastrophe? My hdd doesn't perform much slower than my ssd for 90% of tasks, the biggest improvement was installing windows. For that I was impressed. An hdd shouldn't be a catastrophe, if it is I'd strongly suggest a better brand/model. Installed an ssd on a workstation and of all the upgrades it was the component I was least happy with. The new cpu and ram upgrade were by far more impressive. Not that I'm 'unhappy' with it, it is a little snappier though not enough to make me rush right out to buy another one for my other rig. If another 240gb ssd goes on sale for $60 like the first one I bought I might consider it. Pcie m.2 look appealing and great on paper but I suppose it would be of greater benefit to someone who is suffering a bottlenecked system due to storage in the first place.

A $60 240GB SSD is the reason why you don't feel a big performance increase over your HDD.

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WyomingKnott

"Really? 5 years ago? Because I've gone on vacation for about a month and my Windows wont even start anymore. And that was about a year ago."

But how old was the SSD? The model, not the particular one that you own.
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synphul

It was on sale. At the time, ocz vector 150's were going for $180. It stays neck and neck with the samsung 840 evo (850's weren't even available yet) and the two trade blows a bit. The vector 150 has slightly slower random reads and the samsung has slightly slower write speeds. It was chosen for a workstation doing content creation with larger files where write speed was preferred. Maybe people feel such a huge difference over their hdd's because they're using junk hdd's? My wd re4 gives me no issues. The only time aside from bootup that ssd's seem to have a huge performance gain is during testing where a longer sustained data transfer is occurring. Something most people won't encounter under normal use of a pc, instead it will more than likely operate in small bursts. So technically, it was a $180 ssd using the newer 19nm toshiba nand. Hardly a junk ssd.
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CRamseyer

When you said it I was thinking something along the lines of a V300 with async flash.
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