AMD: Windows 11 Slows Our CPUs Up To 15%, Patch Coming

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AMD has announced that all of its WIndows 11-compatible processors can suffer from reduced performance in some applications when used with the new operating system, with extreme outliers in eSports gaming titles resulting in up to a 10-15% reduction. For applications, AMD says that the performance impact weighs in at 3–5%. A software update and a Windows Update are in the works to address the issues, with both expected to arrive in October 2021 (this month).

The errors impact every Ryzen CPU supported in Windows 11. That means all Zen+, Zen 2 and Zen 3 CPUs that comprise the Ryzen 2000, Ryzen 3000, Ryzen 4000, and Ryzen 5000 processors. In addition, select AMD EPYC processors for data centers, along with some newer Athlon chips, are also impacted. You can see the full list here, but suffice it to say that every AMD chip on our Best CPUs for gaming list is included.

AMD's advisory says that the issue boils down into two categories. First, the measured and functional L3 latency can increase by ~3X, meaning you can see the impact with measurement utilities and that it results in real performance degradation in games and applications. The bug impacts applications that are sensitive to memory subsystem latency, causing a 3–5% reduction in performance. This issue also causes the 10–15% performance reduction outliers in games "commonly used for eSports," which isn't surprising given that games tend to be extremely sensitive to memory and cache latency.

AMD Advisory

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Additionally, AMD's "preferred core" feature, which directs single-threaded applications to the fastest two cores on the chip, also might not work as expected. This would primarily impact performance in lightly-threaded applications. AMD says this performance reduction may be more noticeable in chips with more than eight cores and a >65W TDP rating.

We reached out to AMD on the matter, and the company says that it doesn't have more information to share. However, the advisory says that AMD and Microsoft are "actively investigating these known issues for resolution via software updates" and that AMD will update its advisory when they are available. AMD also advises that its customers experiencing the issues can "continue to use a supported version of Windows 10," which implies that it might not be wise to upgrade to Windows 11 until the issues are patched.

Notably, this issue seems to be separate from the performance issues surrounding Microsoft's recommended VBS and HVCI security settings that have caused an outcry. We put those issues to the test earlier this week.

AMD says it expects a Windows update to resolve the L3 cache issues, while a software update will remediate the problem with the UEFI CPPC2 preferred core technology. Both are expected to arrive this month. We'll update you as we learn more.

  • Measured and functional L3 cache latency may increase by ~3X. 
  • Applications sensitive to memory subsystem access time may be impacted.
  • Expected performance impact of 3-5% in affected applications, 10-15% outliers possible in games commonly used for eSports.
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  • UEFI CPPC2 (“preferred core”) may not preferentially schedule threads on a processor’s fastest core.
  • Applications sensitive to the performance of one or a few CPU threads may exhibit reduced performance.
  • Performance impact may be more detectable in >8-core processors above 65W TDP.
Paul Alcorn
Managing Editor: News and Emerging Tech

Paul Alcorn is the Managing Editor: News and Emerging Tech for Tom's Hardware US. He also writes news and reviews on CPUs, storage, and enterprise hardware.

  • VforV
    So Win11 is tailored pro-Alder Lake and anti-Zen CPUs?

    That makes sense... This will guarantee intel to take the lead, as planed and advertised.

    Joking aside, I'm not surprised this is happening.
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  • cc2onouui
    15% well that means all the alder lake advantage can't be taken for real until a proper fix come up.. I wonder why MS even consider releasing windows with this big big problem
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  • Kamen Rider Blade
    All the more reason to wait another 5 years before even looking at Windows 11 again.
    Reply
  • wifiburger
    Windows 10 build 21H1 which very close to Windows 11 build 21H2 also has CPPC broken on my Zen2 3900x.

    Fresh install, AMD Chipset driver, updates done and the CPPC ranking of the cores are ignored. Very poor ST boost & most threads are sent to weak cores(2nd CCD).

    setting CPPC off in the bios fixes this but adds some memory latency so I set it back on and turned off CPPC boosting in Windows.

    Powercfg -setacvalueindex scheme_current sub_processor PERFBOOSTMODE 2
    Powercfg -setactive scheme_current

    Are we also getting 21H1 update to resolved this CPPC bug ?

    AMD also advises that its customers experiencing the issues can "continue to use a supported version of Windows 10,"
    well.... as long as it's not the latest Windows 10 21H1, they share the same kernel/ crap scheduling
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  • ottonis
    Didn't Pat Gelsinger brag about AMD's lead being over and Intel taking the lead?
    Sure, when the OS is setting AMD CPUs back by 15% and improving on Intel CPU performance... who wouldn't take the lead?
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  • Makaveli
    wifiburger said:
    Windows 10 build 21H1 which very close to Windows 11 build 21H2 also has CPPC broken on my Zen2 3900x.

    Fresh install, AMD Chipset driver, updates done and the CPPC ranking of the cores are ignored. Very poor ST boost & most threads are sent to weak cores(2nd CCD).

    setting CPPC off in the bios fixes this but adds some memory latency so I set it back on and turned off CPPC boosting in Windows.

    Powercfg -setacvalueindex scheme_current sub_processor PERFBOOSTMODE 2
    Powercfg -setactive scheme_current

    Are we also getting 21H1 update to resolved this CPPC bug ?

    AMD also advises that its customers experiencing the issues can "continue to use a supported version of Windows 10,"
    well.... as long as it's not the latest Windows 10 21H1, they share the same kernel/ crap scheduling

    I'm not seeing this on my Zen 3 cpu but i'm only on 8 core so single CCD.
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  • ezst036
    ottonis said:
    Didn't Pat Gelsinger brag about AMD's lead being over and Intel taking the lead?
    Sure, when the OS is setting AMD CPUs back by 15% and improving on Intel CPU performance... who wouldn't take the lead?

    This is a very interesting observation that is likely a little less nefarious. I would suspect that the new Windows is first and foremost programmed for Intel's Thread Director in the scheduling department. To word this generically, Windows 11 is less capable now of using a traditional multi core processor and needs the core moderation capability of a thread directing feature for full throughput.

    Conversely, what this means is that when AMD implements its own big.LITTLE by integrating its bobcat/beema cores with (Zen 5?), they get a free 15% boost. They'll have to have a Thread Director as well that Windows can talk to.

    https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-tablet-processor,3813.html
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  • robert3892
    Didn't Microsoft test both AMD and Intel processors for issues?
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  • TCA_ChinChin
    I'm glad Microsoft ignored testing for AMD processors when coming out with this new scheduler and OS.

    /s
    Reply
  • kaalus
    They don't need to speed up Win 11. Much easier to slow down Win 10 in the next update. Oh, the joys of monopoly!
    The only solution is to split up Microsoft, Apple, Facebook, Amazon, and all other companies, including those from cosmetics, energy, health sectors, having a disproportionate share in any market.
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