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Psystar Owes Apple a Mysterious $75,000

By - Source: Tom's Hardware US | B 13 comments

That's 581 copies of Leopard.

Recently uncovered in Psystar’s bankruptcy filings is a note showing that the company owes Apple $75,000.

Both Psystar and Apple have been in a legal horn-locking as of late over Psystar’s sale of PCs pre-loaded with Mac OS X. Psystar recently bowed out of the legal battle with its filing for chapter 11 bankruptcy.

Computerworld has noticed in Psystar’s documents that the company owes Apple $75,000, which is curious considering its stance that it hasn’t done anything to wrong Apple.

Apparently under "Schedule F -- Creditors Holding Unsecured Nonpriority Claims," Psystar had Apple Inc. as being owed $75,000, also with terms "Litigation Pending" and "consideration for claim."

Could this be Psystar’s way of repaying Apple for damages? It’s hard to say. Computerworld figured that, at the list retail price of $129 per license, the $75,000 translates into 581 copies of Leopard. Surely Psystar must have sold more than 581 Mac clones, right?

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    hemelskonijn , June 13, 2009 12:24 AM
    "Computerworld figured that, at the list retail price of $129 per license, the $75,000 translates into 581 copies of Leopard."

    RETAIL dumbo,
    You really think the retailer himself wont make a dime ?, or that the same prices go if you buy 75,000 worth of goodies even at a retail store ?

    And yes even so ... psystar cant have sold that many units so i wont be amazed if they never hit the 1000 unit mark.
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    HibyPrime , June 13, 2009 6:35 AM
    Could it be possible Apple created the company themselves in an attempt to scare other companies considering opening a similar company? It would seem stupid for them to list Apple as a creditor however...

    It wouldn't be the first time Apple has done something in the grey area of the law, and they've even broken it, and managed to settle it out of court (I'm referring to the iPhone trademark on that last note).
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    eddieroolz , June 13, 2009 9:15 AM
    Apple's broken millions of laws, just look at their anticompetitive and monopolistic nature on their platform.

    Apple's hands are as dirty as Microsoft or for that matter, any other companies. The fact that Apple passes itself off as an Angel pisses me off.
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    Andraxxus , June 13, 2009 9:42 AM
    No offense $75000 for a company that had a revenue of $32.48 Bilion
    (FY 2008) is lunch money.This is disgusting.
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    anamaniac , June 13, 2009 9:45 AM
    Ha.
    They`re claiming bankruptcy, good luck claiming it.
    Granted, I don`t knows the laws in associated said country...
    And I realize to Macintosh $75,000 is nothing, so why are they even botheringÉ
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    chripuck , June 13, 2009 1:14 PM
    StupidRabbitNo.. only after you pay a premium of $500, and afterwards justin long will reassure you that theyre better than just a dirty prostitute.


    And he'll assure you that you're "virus free!"
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    belardo , June 15, 2009 1:01 AM
    If Apple wants more market share... they REALLY need to make either (A) an Affordable desktop in the $400~600 range and / or (B) Have a version of AppleOS for non Apple-Hardware with the stipulation "As-Is" in that they cannot validate or support any hardware because they didn't build the computer.

    Apple is a company that is making money. I don't know their profit on their computer sales... but they should look at how MS makes money by NOT selling hardware.

    What would make a better buy?

    $130~190 for Vista upgrade (Home / Business) or $240~300 for Retail.
    $110 for Apple OS X Retail (not an upgrade)

    Back in the 90s, I used to run Mac emulation on my Amiga (Both designs used Motorola 68000~68030 CPUs) and it ran better than a real Mac. The emulation software was about 110K if I remember right. And I had a Macintosh "software partition" on the HD.


    I'd love to see MacOS for everyone.
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    Tindytim , June 15, 2009 12:57 PM
    BelardoIf Apple wants more market share...

    Stop right there.

    Let me tell you a little secret. Apple does not want more marketshare.

    When it comes down it, Apple cannot do what Microsoft does. Microsoft has to support pretty much all the hardware out there, and needs to offer features that cater to nearly every computer users needs. Not to mention Microsoft is the largest target for virus attacks, as not only does it has most personal users, but it has the largest percentage of business users (computers that would have a high quantity and quality of valuable information).

    Apple is untested in security, which is why it always falls the fastest at the Pwn2own. There are plenty of vulnerabilities, but no one cares to find them.

    If Apple increased their marketshare, they'll have many more security issues than Microsoft ever had, not to mention their lose their elitist user base.
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    1pp1k10k4m1 , June 15, 2009 2:06 PM
    I do not think Apple is interested in market share past a certain point. I think they are happy enough hovering between 7-9 percent market share in computers. Besides, they dominate the portable digital audio player market (iPod) and are highly competitive in the smart phone wars. Like em or not, they have built a marketing machine that works.

    I believe what Tindytim was referring to is/was a weakness in Safari which was not found on the first day of competition, but was exploited the second day when direct network access was permitted. And the winner Charlie Miller, had admitted having previous knowledge of the weakness. So doing it in the time he did it in, not really an indicator of platform security. Windows Vista Ultimate SP1 also fell to the wayside, leaving only Ubuntu 7.10. That aside, OS X is based on BSD and Unix (which the "all secure, all knowing" Linux is based on), which are generally considered to be two of the more secure platforms by many security professionals.(http://techupdate.zdnet.com/techupdate/stories/main/0,14179,2822483,00.html) BSD being at the top of that list for servers. So, I'm not sure Apple would have all the same issues or more that Microsoft has had. Many of Microsoft's have come from poor design and bad programming, because they are a relatively young OS, when compared with Unix and some others. But to say that because Apple WOULD have many more because they aren't tested as often (I assume Tindytim means there are fewer of them, so they are not as glaring of a target) is not necessarily correct, and in not a valid conclusion. However, on the flip side, he may be right. But I am led not to agree given the platform base which OS X stands on, and is built upon.
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    grieve , June 15, 2009 3:58 PM
    TindytimStop right there.Let me tell you a little secret. Apple does not want more marketshare.When it comes down it, Apple cannot do what Microsoft does. Microsoft has to support pretty much all the hardware out there, and needs to offer features that cater to nearly every computer users needs. Not to mention Microsoft is the largest target for virus attacks, as not only does it has most personal users, but it has the largest percentage of business users (computers that would have a high quantity and quality of valuable information).Apple is untested in security, which is why it always falls the fastest at the Pwn2own. There are plenty of vulnerabilities, but no one cares to find them.If Apple increased their marketshare, they'll have many more security issues than Microsoft ever had, not to mention their lose their elitist user base.


    While I agree with almost everything you said, this I Do not “Apple does not want more marketshare”

    Just like AMD wants to be more power friendly and less expensive…. If AMD could dethrone Intel they would, if Apple could be in the top spot they would take it as well. No one chooses second as a marketing plan.

    Everything else you said is spot on, If Apple somehow swapped positions with M$ tomorrow they would be in for a world of hurt.

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    Herbert_HA , June 15, 2009 5:09 PM
    grieveWhile I agree with almost everything you said, this I Do not “Apple does not want more marketshare”Just like AMD wants to be more power friendly and less expensive…. If AMD could dethrone Intel they would, if Apple could be in the top spot they would take it as well. No one chooses second as a marketing plan.Everything else you said is spot on, If Apple somehow swapped positions with M$ tomorrow they would be in for a world of hurt.


    You are comparing two different business models. It's not like Intel/AMD at all. Apple and Microsoft have very different strategies and both are very successful that way. I would love to have more competition in the OS arena, but they are really not interested in that, so it won't happen. And don't forget that MS has a lot of money invested in Apple! As shareholders, they wouldn't let Apple begin to compete with them.
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    grieve , June 15, 2009 7:21 PM
    I think my AMD/Intel comparison is pretty reasonable. AMD cannot win the battle and take first (right now) so they market the mid range as if that is the plan. If AMD had a processor which processed as well as Nehalem you bet they would be advertising as the fastest processor.

    Similarly if Apple could even for a moment take 90% of the OS market they would take it…. They just can’t. So they advertise no Virus (which we all know is a lie) and other gibberish to at least maintain the 5% they have now. You can go to the store and buy OS10… but you don’t, you go buy Windows for whatever personal reasons.
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    computergeek1231 , June 16, 2009 12:38 AM
    The cost of leopard is built in to psystar's price. If you want leopard they charge 129. They buy leopard themselves and include it in each computer. I think they use boot132 so it boots up off the original disc. My hackintosh is 100% vanilla and I'm loving every second of it. It also beats a mac pro at benchmarks that aren't slanted heavily to CPU only. 3.6ghz dual core ( stable for 48 hours under 100% load 1.25 Vcore) 4GB 1066mhz ram, 4870s and 500GB 7200.12 hard drive. Even given the chance to run OS X I usually choose windows 7. I prefer OS X over vista but windows 7 is very nice. We'll see about snow leopard, it doesn't seem as good as windows 7 to me.