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Windows 7 Starter Edition - Is It Really That Bad?

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2:50 PM - May 8, 2009 by Marcus Yam

Windows 7 Starter Edition's three-app limit is real, but is it really that bad?

The Windows 7 beta and release candidate that some of us have been running are the Ultimate versions. Given the option to test any SKU that we want, why not go for the best one?

The thing is that the version that most of us will be using won’t be the top one. Microsoft said before that it expects that the Home Premium version to be the most popular one – especially bundled with decent pre-built machines. While Home Premium will be enough for most of us, what about lesser versions?

Windows 7 Starter Edition is expected to be the OS for low-cost netbooks. With the lowest licensing fee, OEMs wanting to keep costs low will go for the cheapest version of Windows 7. But will Starter Edition do? With the three-applications-open-at-a-time limitation, many users are already writing Starter Edition off as something unusable. To find out more, Ed Bott last month blogged on ZDNet about his time with Starter Edition, and some of his findings might surprise you.

“For starters, that three-app limit isn’t as cut and dried as it sounds,” Bott wrote. “Well, for starters, you can open as many windows as you want from a single program. So if you want to open 15 tabs in your browser, six images in your photo-editing program, and a couple of instant messenger windows, you can do it.”

System applications such as Windows Explorer, Control Panel, Task Manager, Command Prompt and even desktop gadgets do not count as applications, so you can navigate through your system tools as much as you like without stepping into the three-application limit. Antivirus software also seems to live outside the three-app limit, as does some system utilities that start up and reside in the system tray.

Bott concluded that Starter Edition proved adequate for netbooks when used as the way they are intended. “In short, when I used this system as a netbook, it worked just fine. On a netbook, most of the tasks you’re likely to tackle are going to take place in a browser window anyway. … If I tried to use this system as a conventional notebook, running multiple Microsoft Office or OpenOffice aps, playing music in iTunes or Windows Media Player, and using third-party IM programs, I would probably be incredibly frustrated with the limitations of Starter Edition.”

How do you use your netbook? Would Windows 7 Starter Edition be good enough, or will upgrading be one of the first things you'll do?

Source : Tom's Hardware US

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Anonymous 05/08/2009 8:54 PM
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alvine 05/08/2009 8:57 PM
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i think hackers will find a way around this
just my opinion

mtyermom 05/08/2009 8:59 PM
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I could also see this coming standard on ultra low cost desktops, but I doubt MS wants it there.

08nwsula 05/08/2009 9:00 PM
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This is kind of like Vista's User Account Control. Both had good intentions, but really were not what people needed. Just like UAC, I think this new concept wont last very long.

tenor77 05/08/2009 9:02 PM
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It's bad if this includes start up programs that most users neglect to manage.

Anonymous 05/08/2009 9:09 PM
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I use my netbook daily.

At a minimum, I have my email client (Evolution), a web brower (Firefox) and an IM program open (pidgin). With Win7 I'd be at the limit right there, so say I get an email with a .doc file: I'd have to close either my IM program or web broswer to view it??? Edit an image in Gimp? Complete garbage. Makes me even more glad I switched to Linux long ago.

The only way the usage he describes would be typical is if people had no other choice but starter edition. Of course MS knows this, and is hoping these duped people are daft enough to pay for an upgrade to an OS that is actually usable.

ProDigit80 05/08/2009 9:12 PM
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if AV does not count as a program, I'd agree. Set Azureus in msconfig bootup programs, and perhaps it's not counted as a program.
On my mini notebook I generally have anti virus/firewall/popupblocker, firefox upto 12 tabs, eeectl (to boost processor speed and wifi range), mousepad drivers, sometimes a movie with wmp.
I'd never run wmp together with office on my mininotebook. the screen is too small and I just can't do 2 things at the same time. MSN Messenger alikes, I no longer use. If AV and perhaps explorer / internet explorer windows are not counted in the 3 programs it is plenty sufficient I'd think; although on my eeepc, if I would run eeectl, mousepad driver (synaptics pointing device) and GMAbooster I can no longer do anything else with it...

LordConrad 05/08/2009 9:18 PM
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I would never notice it. I am very one-track minded and I never have more than one or two windows open at a time anyway, on my desktop or my laptop. I never understood how people can get work done with so much crap open at once.

mrfisthand 05/08/2009 9:23 PM
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It's fine, IF it's cheap and doesn't take up much space. Anyone who's dealt with XP on a SSD netbook knows what I mean here.

Anonymous 05/08/2009 9:33 PM
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What are the differences between the Starter edition and the one just next to it? Is it only the 3 apps limitation? if so, The price difference will go with it: You can pay less and get a limitation.

Just like XP, Hackers will find a way to turn a starter edition into a Ultimate edition.

AndrewMD 05/08/2009 9:38 PM
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Unfortunately the major of the negative feedback that is on this post for this product is unrealistic being that most posters will not run this version of Windows 7 anyway! Do I think this is a bad idea? NO. Microsoft needs to preserve the OS and the performace of the netbook and lower powered computers that are still on the market and that will be continued to be produced.

Three application limit is enough when you put it in prospective of a system running at least 1gb memory, under 1.6ghz single core, and a slower RPM HDD...

Also, when compared to an iPhone for example which allows only 1 program at a time then why the complaints. Is it because Microsoft did not glamourize the other features? Or make it sound ground breaking enough? If Apple were to produce an iPhone based netbook are you going to complain then when only one application can run?

Give me a break.... Go buy ultimate if you want NO LIMITATIONS!

terr281 05/08/2009 9:53 PM
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If, as this article suggests, "Windows" Apps are not counted in the 3 application limit, then this edition of Win7 would work fine for most Office workers as well.

How many office workers actually "use," as part of their job, more than the following at any given time:

1. Email (Outlook)
2. One Office Application (Word)
3. Internet Explorer... (Most workers use IE for personal work at "work"...not work.)
4. Windows Explorer (Not counted)
5. Antivirus (Not counted)
6. Wifi Program (Not counted)
7. Adobe Acrobat, another Office Application, etc.

As AndrewMD suggests, for the computers this OS will be installed on...3 is a good enough number. If 4 would have been chosen, then this edition could be installed on almost ALL business oriented laptops. (And, MS doesn't want that...)

This is just like the silly difference in XP Home and XP Pro. (Pro can't join a domain.) If Home could have joined a domain, then businesses wouldn't have used Pro since almost everything is managed via Group Policy via Active Directory.

dman3k 05/08/2009 9:59 PM
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tamick88 05/08/2009 10:02 PM
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"running multiple Microsoft Office or OpenOffice aps, playing music in iTunes or Windows Media Player, and using third-party IM programs, I would probably be incredibly frustrated with the limitations of Starter Edition.”
Seriously, other than people who have tons of money to burn, who wouldn't do these common everyday tasks on a netbook they purchased? Is it so far-fetched that they should be able to do a few of these things at the same time especially since netbooks are starting to get decently fast?

deltatux 05/08/2009 10:07 PM
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akoegle 05/08/2009 10:08 PM
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rembo666 05/08/2009 10:18 PM
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If I had a netbook, I think the 3 app limit would be enough--the things are so slow I wouldn't dare running more than one or two things at the same time.

However, I don't have a netbook. What I have is a CarPC with an Atom motherboard. Windows 7 Starter Edition would be perfect, because I only run maximum of 3 applications at the same time: the CarPC Front End, Internet Explorer, and the GPS program (which is a part of most CarPC front ends, but not in my case). Starter Edition would save money, while saving the time of stripping down a "Full Fat" version of the OS. Perfect for this embedded application!

bourgeoisdude 05/08/2009 10:29 PM
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alvine :
i think hackers will find a way around this just my opinion



Yes, but why? Why not just download an illegal version of Windows 7 Ultimate with all the functionality instead of bothering with "fixing" the version with crippled functionality?

cadder 05/08/2009 10:55 PM
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99% of the time it would not be a problem for me on any of my computers- work, home or laptop.

Anonymous 05/08/2009 10:55 PM
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joeman42 05/08/2009 11:00 PM
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Here's a sneaky idea: run stater edition inside a virtualbox, or similar, on starter edition (XPM won't be supported according to MS). Depending on how apps are counted you can get at least 9 apps going to potentially unlimited if it allows multiple invocations of a single program. Just a thought...

Anonymous 05/08/2009 11:03 PM
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If people wants to pay less they need to live with limitations.
The bad point with the "Starter" versions is the hardware limits, not the 3 apps limit.

I need Windows only for gaming and because that i will use only one app most of the time.
If i can run Win7 Starter in my (almost decent) machine without problems i will think about buy it, if i can't i will wait until my favorite games run on LINUX and don't buy neither Windows or the game. (The game i will buy, when it runs on LINUX of course)

I think Windows is too expensive to me because i don't need the majority of features it have (and it don't have the majority of features that i need), for this reason i never think about buy the most expensive versions, but with "Starter" costing much less i'm inclined to invest in then.

Anonymous 05/08/2009 11:08 PM
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Disappointing - I was planning on getting a netbook for doing work on the go. That would be Firefox + Web Browser + a Messenging program. That then stops me from loading anything else up - no music, no email, no ability to view images in Picture Viewer, no Acrobat Reader...

Dave_69 05/09/2009 12:06 PM
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Not to worry, peeps, the hacke... I mean, "programmers" in Malaysia will figure out a way to hack... I mean, "go around" this.

Windaria 05/09/2009 12:18 PM
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If it comes pre-loaded with starter edition instead of xp or vista, great, it reduced the cost. Unfortunately you can't buy them with no OS, so money still goes to fund a company when I won't use their software anyway after wiping and installing Linux, but at least it's a step in the right direction.

Next? For mail-order systems, such as are shipped by Dell, no OS SHOULD be an option, while reducing $50-250 from the cost, depending what the system normally ships with anyway...

Detson 05/09/2009 12:27 PM
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There's nothing mandating an OEM can't put home premium in their netbooks; they'll just cost a little more. It's all about capturing the different segments of the market. We should withhold judgment until we have some idea about pricing.

Anonymous 05/09/2009 12:32 PM
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That would be awesome , I wish they could evoke a one app limit. that one app would use the full resources available. That one app would not be bogged down by twenty little apps that magically appeared in your sys tray.
That one app would operate smoothly and not run into other programs and freeze up. that one app would take less time to load and and when you shut it down it would actually go away. Imagine if a Disk Operating System could do that.

Curnel_D 05/09/2009 3:14 AM
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This will take about 15 mins to find a workaround for. This limitation is targeted at the average consumer, not the tech savvy users that generally frequent this site.

dmuir 05/09/2009 7:03 AM
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The limitation will probably be useless in the long run, as people will soon figure out how to write your apps so that they don't count towards the 3 app limit.

ira176 05/09/2009 7:14 AM
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I guess as long as the netbook makers provide for an option for another version of Windows 7, I would be okay with Microsoft putting out a starter edition. This would give the greatest option for the consumer. Also, netbooks will invariably get more powerful, and a more feature oriented version of Windows 7 will become viable on a netbook.

nerdherd 05/09/2009 7:44 AM
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The fact that they are trying to package something that no one wants with netbooks just to try to get us to buy the "better" one is majorly lame to me. I won't buy a netbook that has Windows 7 Starter Edition on it, that's for sure...


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