Have you ever wondered where defective NAND chips or those that don't pass the requirements go? Not inside the best SSDs, that's for sure. However, you'll likely find them inside knock-off SSD brands that sell for ridiculously low prices on platforms like AliExpress.
NAND yield rates are typically bad until the process node matures. Often, factories come across NAND that doesn't meet the client's requirements or doesn't pass quality control. Instead of throwing the NAND away, which increases electronic waste, the factories recycle them into cheaper products or sell them to local companies, giving rise to obscure SSD brands on the Chinese market.
A Chinese data recovery YouTuber recently took apart a ShineDisk M667 (M667-120G), a 120GB SATA SSD that retails for around $13 in China, and found some alleged SK hynix-manufactured NAND for Apple devices inside. Mind you; this is a knock-off brand and not to be confused with the same SanDisk that Western Digital acquired.
The SSD controller is the only thing that looks legit on the ShineDisk M667. The drive utilizes the SM2258XT, a DRAM-less SATA III from Silicon Motion. It’s an outdated SSD controller that powers SSDs, such as the Crucial BX500, TeamGroup EX2, and WD Blue 3D.
The NAND chips in the ShineDisk M667 are thicker than the NAND that you typically find on a regular SSD. According to the YouTuber, it’s reportedly SK hynix’s E2NAND, which appears to be a multi-chip package with an MSP controller with embedded ECC support. We couldn’t find public information on E2NAND on SK hynix’s website. However, we did see many mentions of E2NAND associated with Apple devices on various Chinese e-commerce platforms.
The origin of the NAND is unknown. It could have come from a factory making NAND for Apple or some third-party vendor ripping them from defective iPhones. However, the YouTuber suspects the former since the quality appears to have a level of professionalism.
Reprocessing components for lower-tier products or new products is a regular practice in the hardware world. Companies are always looking to maximize profits. For example, a recent report revealed that some vendors recycle server ICs into consumer memory. The problem is with reliability.
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In the case of the ShineDisk M667 SSD, we have no idea where the NAND came from. It wouldn’t surprise anyone if, one day, the ShineDisk M667 died out of nowhere. That’s the risk of an off-brand SSD that sells for $13 in a market filled with knock-offs. You’re better off looking for one of the best SSD deals on a name-brand drive.
Zhiye Liu is a news editor and memory reviewer at Tom’s Hardware. Although he loves everything that’s hardware, he has a soft spot for CPUs, GPUs, and RAM.
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caleebotron The headline “Apple NAND Chips Discovered Hiding In Cheap SSDs” is flat-out misleading. From the article: “In the case of the ShineDisk M667 SSD, we have no idea where the NAND came from.”Reply -
RedBear87 That's the risk of an off-brand SSD that sells for $13 in a market filled with knock-offs. You're better off looking for one of the best SSD deals on a name brand drive.
There are also risks when buying some of those "best" SSDs, you know. Just remember the whole 980 Pro shamble and more recently the issues with some WD external SSDs that are leading to a class action. At the end of the day there are always risks with any storage option, so one should archive/backup stuff that is seriously important; on the other hand, when it comes to storing data that is not important, a cheap Chinese no brand SSD can be useful, for instance if you want to upgrade an old PC/laptop that you're going to use only as secondary device (using the cloud to share your stuff). -
Loadedaxe
100% agree, the headline is a little misleading.caleebotron said:The headline “Apple NAND Chips Discovered Hiding In Cheap SSDs” is flat-out misleading. From the article: “In the case of the ShineDisk M667 SSD, we have no idea where the NAND came from.” -
ezst036 Apple does a disservice to its customers by aggressively making everything proprietary if not soldered on in an era where that's just not needed anymore.Reply
The amount of profit they make off of the rubes because of this is insane. -
tomspath 13 $ sounds HIGH to me.Reply
at Amazon Canada you can get
PATRIOT brand 128gb SSD for 11$
and it is FREE delivery
China is 13$ and
you have to pay through your nose for shipping
Get ripped off in Amazon Canada , it is a LOT CHEAPER
go for it and buy them for around 9$ in batches of 10. -
peachpuff
Its all for the clicks!Loadedaxe said:100% agree, the headline is a little misleading.
Apple made nand from Tesla self driving Cybertruck discovered on the moon for $13! -
gg83
I disagree completely. The major brands at least have warranty coverage. Samsung and WD can be sued in court. The knockoff brands do not. You might as well burn your money.RedBear87 said:There are also risks when buying some of those "best" SSDs, you know. Just remember the whole 980 Pro shamble and more recently the issues with some WD external SSDs that are leading to a class action. At the end of the day there are always risks with any storage option, so one should archive/backup stuff that is seriously important; on the other hand, when it comes to storing data that is not important, a cheap Chinese no brand SSD can be useful, for instance if you want to upgrade an old PC/laptop that you're going to use only as secondary device (using the cloud to share your stuff). -
RedBear87
If we're going by anecdotes like the one in the article plenty of people used similar drives for years without issues, so you're simply taking your chance, not burning your money. For instance, buying an expensive Samsung M2 SATA drive like the 860 EVO, because your old laptop comes with an M2 slot that doesn't support NVMe (I'm talking from experience, specifically it's a 2018 Asus Vivobook), means that you're throwing money away for something that you're going to use only occasionally and that, at best, you could eventually recycle only as an external storage, if that laptop will break down or you won't need it any more (who's going to waste a good M2 slot for a SATA drive on a modern PC?). A similar argument might be done with a cheap 128GB 2.5" SATA drive that you could want to throw inside an old desktop as a boot drive, are you going to ever use it for anything else? Why should you go for one of those "best" SSD drives?gg83 said:I disagree completely. The major brands at least have warranty coverage. Samsung and WD can be sued in court. The knockoff brands do not. You might as well burn your money.
Mind you, I wouldn't use drives from similar no brands for my main PC, I actually have two 970 EVO in my main PC (one 1TB and one 512GB drive), but I see no issue using similar drives for giving a life extension to old PCs/laptops that are still not completely useless. Also, let's be honest here, Tom's Hardware is doing advertising with those suggestions of recommended drives. -
dd8241 Admin said:Chinese YouTuber stumbled upon Apple NAND when opening a ShineDisk SATA SSD.
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I like tomshardware.caleebotron said:The headline “Apple NAND Chips Discovered Hiding In Cheap SSDs” is flat-out misleading. From the article: “In the case of the ShineDisk M667 SSD, we have no idea where the NAND came from.”
Please don't convert tomshardware to a content farm.
I hate misleading headline.