Intel has PCIe 4.0 Optane SSDs Ready, But Nothing for Customers to Plug Them Into

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Intel Alder Stream second-gen Optane SSD. Image taken by Nathan Kirsch, Legit Reviews, during Intel demonstration

Intel Alder Stream second-gen Optane SSD. Image taken by Nathan Kirsch, Legit Reviews, during Intel demonstration (Image credit: Nathan Kirsch / Legit Reviews)
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  • twotwotwo
    I get companies can try and fudge the reasons for their actions, but if it ends up clear Intel delayed an SSD or turned off features they'd built because they worked too well with others' hardware, isn't that the sort of thing that gets you sued for anticompetitive behavior? Maybe they fight it off, maybe not, but there's downside risk.

    They should just release the best SSD they can when it's ready, and if the timing means they have to get clever to get good PR, do what they have to. Maybe review samples come with conditions about what platform you test on, or if there's even an Intel-internal PCIe4 platform to test on you let the press mess with that.

    PR difficulties are temporary, consent decrees are long-term.
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  • nofanneeded
    This means no PCIe 5.0 in the near future .... did Intel cancel it ? I thought it was coming in 2020 ?
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  • TerryLaze
    twotwotwo said:
    I get companies can try and fudge the reasons for their actions, but if it ends up clear Intel delayed an SSD or turned off features they'd built because they worked too well with others' hardware, isn't that the sort of thing that gets you sued for anticompetitive behavior?
    Maybe they are releasing it because they already tested it on ryzen and it's still faster on intel with PCI3 than it is on ryzen with PCI4...the interface alone doesn't make things go any faster,you need a CPU that has enough cycles to get enough info off the disk.

    Maybe it is faster on ryzen and intel will still release it because they main market for optane is optane RAM DIMMs and intel made the same amount of money from that in the last quarter that AMD made from all desktop CPU and GPU sales put together...
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  • JayNor
    Intel reported Ice Lake Server chips in the lab, booting linux, in Dec 2018. These have PCIE4. They may not be available to general public, but Intel samples their server chips to big customers long before general release.

    https://www.servethehome.com/first-pictures-of-intel-ice-lake-xeon-server-chips/
    sampling Ice Lake Server since May, according to this
    https://www.anandtech.com/show/14314/intel-xeon-update-ice-lake-and-cooper-lake-sampling
    intel also shipping stratix 10dx with pcie4

    https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-stratix-10-dx-upi-cxl,40436.html
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  • Flayed
    Is it just me who's curious to know what Glauber Costa is detoxing from?
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  • thGe17
    nofanneeded said:
    This means no PCIe 5.0 in the near future .... did Intel cancel it ? I thought it was coming in 2020 ?

    PCIe 5.0 has been announced with Sapphire Rapids SP for 1Q21 since 2Q19 with the updated roadmap (and the roadmap hasn't changed until now). The upcoming Whitley Platform (Cooper Lake & Ice Lake SP) will support up to PCIe 4.0 with Ice Lake, so maybe boards will be PCIe 4.0-ready in general (because otherwise I would have expected a different platform for Ice Lake SP CPUs with specific PCIe 4.0 support.).

    Btw ... the point this article tries to make, feels like click bait. What's the problem? The SSDs are in their final development/validation stage but not released yet. They support PCIe 4.0 and will work well with for example IBM and AMD and will most likely also work with every 3.0-system in general (when they're officially launched any time soon). And in a few months, Intel will launch Ice Lake SP with native PCIe 4.0 support (and of course Intel can already test them together with Ice Lake SP in the lab).
    It feels like everybody is searching and hoping for some kind of failure for a headline. Absolute nonsense. Should the team be forced to delay their development to be exactly on time to avoid to create a false appearance? :-x
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  • bit_user
    nofanneeded said:
    This means no PCIe 5.0 in the near future .... did Intel cancel it ? I thought it was coming in 2020 ?
    IIRC, an Intel server CPU with PCIe 5.0 is on their roadmap for 2021. They need it for CXL, which is how they plan on communicating with their datacenter GPUs and AI accelerators. So, I'm pretty sure it'll actually happen next year.

    However, PCIe 5.0 won't be coming to desktops, in the foreseeable future. It's more expensive to implement, burns more power, and has tighter limitations on things like trace length. Beyond that, there's no need, as even PCIe 4.0 is currently borderline overkill, for desktops.
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  • bit_user
    TerryLaze said:
    main market for optane is optane RAM DIMMs and intel made the same amount of money from that in the last quarter that AMD made from all desktop CPU and GPU sales put together...
    Source?
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  • thGe17
    TerryLaze said:
    and intel made the same amount of money from that in the last quarter that AMD made from all desktop CPU and GPU sales put together...

    Not exactly but also not far-fetched either.
    In 3Q19 AMD hat 1.80 B. US$ revenue over all and 1,27 B. revenue in the Computing and Graphics segment (consumer/mobile CPUs, chipsets and all GPUs, additionally some services and IP).
    In 3Q19 Intel already had 1,3 B. revenue in the Non-Volatile Memory Solutions Group. (Additonally the IoT Group had 1.2 B revenue and their Client Computing Group had 9,7 B. revenue in 3Q19.)
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  • nofanneeded
    bit_user said:
    IIRC, an Intel server CPU with PCIe 5.0 is on their roadmap for 2021. They need it for CXL, which is how they plan on communicating with their datacenter GPUs and AI accelerators. So, I'm pretty sure it'll actually happen next year.

    However, PCIe 5.0 won't be coming to desktops, in the foreseeable future. It's more expensive to implement, burns more power, and has tighter limitations on things like trace length. Beyond that, there's no need, as even PCIe 4.0 is currently borderline overkill, for desktops.

    There is a huge need for PCIe 5.0 , we will not need 16 lnes anymore for GPU and this will open up more lanes for other cards ...

    also I can see thunderbolt 5 with 4 lanes of PCIe 5.0 potential , an externa GPU with the same bandwidth of 16 lanes 3.0 today...

    also docking stations for notebooks ... will be something huge. I know it will draw alot of power , but can be limitied to plugged power only and not batteries when docked only.
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