Intel Gen12 Graphics Linux Patches Reveal New Display Feature for Tiger Lake (Update)

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Update, 9/7/19, 4:38 a.m. PT: Some extra information about Gen12 has come out. According to a GitHub merge request, Gen12 will be one of the biggest ISA updates in the history of the Gen architecture and removal of data coherency between register reads and writes: “Gen12 is planned to include one of the most in-depth reworks of the Intel EU ISA since the original i965. The encoding of almost every instruction field, hardware opcode and register type needs to be updated in this merge request. But probably the most invasive change is the removal of the register scoreboard logic from the hardware, which means that the EU will no longer guarantee data coherency between register reads and writes, and will require the compiler to synchronize dependent instructions anytime there is a potential data hazard.”Twitter user @miktdt also noted that Gen12 will double the amount of EUs per subslice from 8 to 16, which likely helps with scaling up the architecture.

Original Article, 9/6/19, 9:34 a.m. PT:

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  • bit_user
    Tiger Lake will also feature next-gen I/O, likely referring to PCIe 4.0.
    I'm guessing that's referring to Thunderbolt 3, DisplayPort 2.0, and maybe HDMI 2.1.

    None of the roadmap leaks or info on LGA-1200 mention any client CPUs having PCIe 4.0 this year or next.
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  • Unolocogringo
    This is also not Intel's first foray into the discrete graphics market. The 740 was dismal.
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  • bit_user
    Unolocogringo said:
    This is also not Intel's first foray into the discrete graphics market. The 740 was dismal.
    That was 20 years ago!

    AMD still made uncompetitive CPUs as recently as 3 years ago, and look at them now!

    It's a lot more informative to look at the strides Intel has made in their integrated graphics. They're hardly starting from zero, this time around.
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  • NightHawkRMX
    They are late to the PCIe 4.0 party. Its not even remotely surprising they would try to incorporate it.

    bit_user said:
    None of the roadmap leaks or info on LGA-1200 mention any client CPUs having PCIe 4.0 this year or next.

    And at one point their roadmaps also showed Intel would be manufacturing 7nm nearly 3 years ago. And were still on 14nm for the desktop with just medeocre 10nm mobile processors...

    https://www.anandtech.com/show/13405/intel-10nm-cannon-lake-and-core-i3-8121u-deep-dive-review/2At the end of the day, they are projections. They can and usually are wrong, especially when they look many months or years in the future, just like the slide above.
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  • bit_user
    remixislandmusic said:
    And at one point their roadmaps also showed Intel would be manufacturing 7nm nearly 3 years ago. And were still on 14nm for the desktop with just medeocre 10nm mobile processors...
    It's understandable when they under-deliver on their roadmap promises, because technology is actually hard, sometimes.

    However, what you're saying is that they're going to over-deliver on their roadmap promises. It could happen, but I don't think they've had a track record of doing that.

    remixislandmusic said:
    At the end of the day, they are projections. They can and usually are wrong, especially when they look many months or years in the future, just like the slide above.
    They're not projections as in stock market or weather forecasts - these are their plans that they're communicating to partners and customers! And work that's not planned doesn't usually get done. Furthermore, features that their partners weren't expecting wouldn't necessarily get enabled or properly supported.
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  • NightHawkRMX
    bit_user said:
    They're not projections as in stock market or weather forecasts - these are their plans that they're communicating to partners and customers! And work that's not planned doesn't usually get done.
    Correct. I'm just reiterating Intel.

    It says in that corner of the slide pictured, "projected"
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  • Unolocogringo
    bit_user said:
    That was 20 years ago!

    AMD still made uncompetitive CPUs as recently as 3 years ago, and look at them now!

    It's a lot more informative to look at the strides Intel has made in their integrated graphics. They're hardly starting from zero, this time around.
    They also started project Larabee, but no consumer devices were sold.
    So I did not count it.
    Just stating that this is their third attempt to enter the Discrete GPU market, the first 2 attempts were complete failures.
    The article states this is their first.
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  • bit_user
    Unolocogringo said:
    They also started project Larabee, but no consumer devices were sold.
    So I did not count it.
    Yeah, forcing x86 into GPUs was an exercise in trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.

    Unolocogringo said:
    Just stating that this is their third attempt to enter the Discrete GPU market, the first 2 attempts were complete failures.
    To be fair, there were a lot of 3D graphics chips, back then - S3, 3D Labs, Matrox, Rendition, Tseng, Cirrus Logic, Number Nine, PowerVR, 3DFX, and of course ATI and Nvidia. Plus, even a few more I'm forgetting. Most weren't very good. Even Nvdia's NV1 could be described as a failure.

    From the sound of it, the i740 was far from the worst. Perhaps it just didn't meet with the level of success that Intel was used to. Being a late entrant to a crowded market surely didn't help.

    http://www.vintage3d.org/i740.php#sthash.e4kIOqFj.MxbFM9tE.dpbs
    Unolocogringo said:
    The article states this is their first.
    Ah, I had missed that.
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  • GetSmart
    bit_user said:
    To be fair, there were a lot of 3D graphics chips, back then - S3, 3D Labs, Matrox, Rendition, Tseng, Cirrus Logic, Number Nine, PowerVR, 3DFX, and of course ATI and Nvidia. Plus, even a few more I'm forgetting. Most weren't very good. Even Nvdia's NV1 could be described as a failure.

    From the sound of it, the i740 was far from the worst. Perhaps it just didn't meet with the level of success that Intel was used to. Being a late entrant to a crowded market surely didn't help.

    http://www.vintage3d.org/i740.php#sthash.e4kIOqFj.MxbFM9tE.dpbs
    Ah, I had missed that.
    And Intel's i740 was not the last Intel discrete GPU in that era, there was also Intel i752 which never made it to mass market. As for the worst, probably Cirrus Logic Laguna3D despite using RDRAM and only lasted a single generation. Others like Trident 3DImage series was very buggy, and NEC PowerVR had quirky rendering. Companies like Tseng, along with Weitek and Avance Logic (Realtek), never made it into the 3D acceleration segment. Also NVidia's NV1 quadratic texturing technology made its way into Sega's Saturn console.
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  • kinggremlin
    Hasn't it been rumored for a while that Intel would skip PCIE 4.0 and go straight to 5.0 which is only a year behind 4.0? With so little benefit of 4.0 right now to most of the market, would seem a waste of time to implement it when it will already be outdated a year later without ever having been any real use.
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