AMD claims the Ryzen AI 9 HX 370 is 75% faster than Intel's Core Ultra 7 258V in gaming
But AMD's results are skewed by using frame generation tech only on its own platform.
AMD has published a blog post boasting of incredible gaming performance for its Ryzen AI 300 series processors, with performance that is on average 75% faster than Intel's equivalent Lunar Lake counterpart. That number doesn't agree with our own testing of the Radeon 890M and Arc 140V integrated graphics, in part because we didn't use "performance enhancing" settings that are inherently unequal.
AMD unveiled several gaming benchmarks at 1080p medium settings, showcasing the Ryzen AI 9 HX 370 with Radeon 890M significantly outperforming Intel's competing Core Ultra 7 258V with Arc 140V graphics. Games selected for the comparison included Ghost of Tsushima, Cyberpunk 2077, Dying Light 2 Stay Human, Baldur's Gate 3, Spider-Man Remastered, Shadow of the Tomb Raider, Hogwarts Legacy, Assassin's Creed Mirage, Call of Duty: Black Ops 6, Borderlands 3, Doom Eternal, Tiny Tina's Wonderlands, Forza Horizon 5, Hitman 3, Far Cry 6, and F1 24.
On average, AMD touts a 75% performance lead for its Radeon 890M powered Zen 5 mobile chip. For example, in Black Ops 6, the HX 370 generated an average frame rate of 99. The 258V, by contrast, held an equivalent frame rate of just 48. It sounds good, until you look at the specifics of the testing.
AMD is taking advantage of all its software performance boosters to yield these impressive gains. This includes using both FSR 3 upscaling as well as FSR 3 frame generation, and in games that don't support FSR 3, AFMF 2 driver-based frame generation is applied as a substitute. HYPR-RX was also enabled for games that support it, which will enable one or more of: Anti-Lag, AMD Fluid Motion Frames 2 (AFMF2), Radeon Super Resolution (RSR), Radeon Boost, and/or FidelityFX Super Resolution (FSR). RSR and AFMF2 work via AMD's drivers to enable frame generation and spatial upscaling (FSR1) for games that don't have native support upscaling/framegen, while Radeon Boost dynamically lowers the render resolution when fast motion is detected.
For the Intel counterparts, AMD uses Intel's competing XeSS solution for comparison, as well as FSR in cases where XeSS isn't present. But it's important to note that XeSS doesn't have any type of frame generation functionality, which inevitably skews the results in favor of AMD. Also, we've seen in the past the FSR3 runs better on AMD's GPUs than on competitors' GPUs, which makes sense, but also results in non-equal workloads.
AMD also showcased the native performance of both processors without any upscale or frame generation enabled. In this software environment, the AMD Radeon 890M-equipped CPU was pushing virtually identical frame rates, on average, compared to the Arc 140V-equipped Intel counterpart. The Core Ultra 7 258V outperformed the Ryzen AI 9 HX 370 in several games, including Black Ops 6 and Hitman 3. But AMD didn't provide any exact framerate statistics for the native performance figures, merely showing a bar graph visual and making it impossible to define clearly how much faster or slower the 258V was against the HX 370.
Like any manufacturer provided benchmarks, take the 75% performance uplift headline claim with a large helping of salt. While gamers can choose to enable such technologies, using them to compare performance can heavily skew the results. For the CPU world, it would be like running Cinebench but only rendering a quarter of the pixels and then using a denoising algorithm versus a competitor that has to fully render every pixel.
What AMD is advertising is a potential 75% performance uplift by using software techniques to reduce the graphics workload and boost performance. But without that extra software, AMD's own numbers show its Ryzen AI 9 HX 370 performs on par with Intel's Core Ultra 7 258V. That mostly matches our own testing, which gave Intel's GPU a 6.7% lead overall at 720p and a 5.5% lead at 1080p.
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TheHerald Yikes. They are stacking 2 frame generation techs on top of its other and claim themselves the winner.Reply -
Alpha_Lyrae They're taking a page straight from Nvidia's playbook (using DLSS and FG to claim xx% more performance vs competition). HYPR-RX is obviously used in games without native FSR3 FG and some people find it useful.Reply
Although in Nvidia's case, it's vendor-locked tech. FSR3 FG works on many GPUs (minus driver-level HYPR-RX). It's weird. I don't like it when Nvidia does it because it obfuscates native performance, so same feeling here. -
rluker5 Both can use Lossless Scaling which generates even more fake frames. Not very honest to have an official comparison just have one side use frame gen when both can.Reply
Edit: Since AMD is being lopsided with frame gen, are they also being lopsided with power consumption?
Is this a 28w vs 17w comparison? -
phxrider When you're playing a game, no one cares HOW they got their FPS, they only cared THAT they got it. End results matter, theoreticals don't.Reply -
thestryker I'm getting really tired of AMD's shoddy marketing. They make good products, aside from the name the 370 is a great product, but lately have insisted on these completely irrational marketing takes.Reply
Frame Generation is basically the most dishonest thing that can be added to any benchmark. Input latency is just as important as visual frame rate (especially at lower frame rates) and FG just obfuscates it entirely. While I don't think using upscaling in benchmarks is good that is at least real performance gained while sacrificing image quality. -
TheHerald
Nvidia started it, but at least they used it to compare with their own products. Amd took it a step further 😁thestryker said:I'm getting really tired of AMD's shoddy marketing. They make good products, aside from the name the 370 is a great product, but lately have insisted on these completely irrational marketing takes.
Frame Generation is basically the most dishonest thing that can be added to any benchmark. Input latency is just as important as visual frame rate (especially at lower frame rates) and FG just obfuscates it entirely. While I don't think using upscaling in benchmarks is good that is at least real performance gained while sacrificing image quality. -
DingusDog "XeSS doesn't have any type of frame generation functionality"Reply
So technically AMD is still faster pushing more frames even if a portion of them are fake frames. Intel isn't competitive without a similar function to offer. -
thestryker
This technicality doesn't matter when the experience is bad. Best case scenario the input lag is as bad as the non-FG frame rate.DingusDog said:"XeSS doesn't have any type of frame generation functionality"
So technically AMD is still faster pushing more frames even if a portion of them are fake frames. Intel isn't competitive without a similar function to offer.
AMD's FG is also GPU agnostic. -
cp0x
And being TomsHardware, it is always incredibly important to show Intel winning, no matter what 🤦♂️Admin said:A blog post from AMD is advertising a 75% performance advantage in gaming benchmarks of its Ryzen AI 9 HX 370 against Intel's Core Ultra 7 258V.
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It's been this way since the site first started.
Regardless, it's a very good thing that IGPs are getting better. I just wish they were getting better, faster.