AMD to begin disclosing Ryzen Zen 4c clock speeds and list the missing core counts on official spec pages — much-needed change will bring the company in line with standard industry practices

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The arrival of AMD's Zen 4c cores to its lineup of consumer chips has brought new levels of core density and power-optimized performance to the company's portfolio. But AMD hasn't adhered to standard industry practice and divulged clock speeds for the new cores in any fashion. In fact, even the very presence of the smaller and less-performant Zen 4c cores has been absent from the company's main specification pages and marketing materials, leading to claims of deceptive marketing practices.

We asked AMD about the lack of clear communication around the new tech at its recent AI day, at which time the company told us it would review the policy. When we followed up a few weeks later for an update: AMD now tells Tom's Hardware it will begin divulging these specifications and displaying them more prominently in its materials, with the first updates to its website coming soon.

As with Intel's E-cores, AMD's Zen 4c cores are designed to consume less space on a processor die than the 'standard' performance cores (in AMD's case, Zen 4), while delivering enough performance for less demanding tasks, thus saving power and delivering more compute horsepower per square millimeter than was previously possible (deep dive here). But the similarities end there. Unlike Intel, AMD employs the same microarchitecture and supports the same features with its smaller cores. Still, they do operate at lower clock rates and thus offer less peak performance than standard cores.

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  • Co BIY
    This is a great piece of tech Journalism !

    Thank You.
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  • ET3D
    The only difference between all Zen 4 and a mix of Zen 4 and Zen 4c is the mix of clock boost behaviour. That's something that we don't normally get, unless it's tested by reviewers. All the maximum Zen 4c clock will tell us is that when using more than 2 cores (in a 2+4 configuration), the extra cores will have a certain maximum speed. That's somewhat useful, but a lower boost is expected for any CPUs, regardless of AMD or Intel or number of cores. When going up in the number of cores used, CPUs will drop clock speed anyway.

    So while the Zen 4c maximum clock speed is of theoretical interest, it's not of any practical interest unless we know the clock behaviour of other devices, which we are unlikely to get because articles like this one focus on getting the less important specific spec rather than asking for better disclosure of clock behaviour.
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  • thestryker
    Just a guess based on what's been spoken of publicly is that AMD didn't really want to disclose the Zen 4c boost clocks because they're going to be a lot lower than Zen 4. AMD has been pushing that nobody would know the difference between Zen 4 and Zen 4c, and that's likely because the all core boost of all Zen 4 vs a mix is probably very close to the same in limited TDP circumstances. AMD doesn't disclose their all core boost speeds though so without that information it would appear as though AMD is lying about the performance.

    I look forward to their disclosure just the same as more transparency the better.
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  • _Flare
    As far as AMD disclosed to this day, Zen4c vs Zen4 is only compactified and the L3-Cache has mobile-grade size like mobile Zen3 or Zen4 has, so for each 8-Core CCX 16MB instead of the desktop-grade 32MB L3.
    L1, L2 and every other capability is equal, max turbo excluded.
    The compatification results in a denser core obviously and because of physics those have lower max turbo.

    So in my opinion all AMD need to add is the max turbo of the Zen4c cores.
    Same opinion is also for the X3D CCDs max turbo in the 7900X3D/7950X3D.
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  • Moobear
    Ugh very unpleasant read very negative point of view had a bad day??? Unbelievable. quote: But the company hasn't adhered to standard industry practice and divulged clock speeds for the new cores in any fashion. In fact, even the very presence of the smaller and less-performant Zen 4c cores has been absent from the company's main specification pages and marketing materials, leading to claims of deceptive marketing practices. AMD will let us know don t flip, and just my 2 cents I m happy AMD doesn t adhere to standard industry practice, this whole piece could have been alot shorter and a more relevant informative piece without al the assumptions. But yeah have a great day.
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  • jlake3
    While a breakdown of Zen 4/4c cores would definitely be good, the clockspeed issue feels more academic than practical? Under a hard single core load you're going to be limited by the boost of the strongest core, while under a sustained load I'd assume you're not running all cores at maximum boost clock anyway.

    As for the NPU... is the clockspeed a meaningful spec? I thought software support and TOPS was important, and whether you got there through more clocks or more parallelism wasn't really important at this level.
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  • usertests
    https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-discloses-zen4c-core-frequencies-for-ryzen-8000g-series8300G8500G7440U7545U
    AMD is finally disclosing the clock speeds. But why are there 3 base clock speeds listed?

    Base Clock(ℹ️)
    (Represents the average effective base frequency of all cores.)

    That's stupid and if there's follow-up reporting it should mention this useless number.

    @PaulAlcorn
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