These GeForce GTX 480, 470 Will be Different
Keeping the GeForce GTX 480 cool with water cooling, FTW.
Although it's already been discussed in detail late last month, the Nvidia GeForce GTX 480 and GTX 470 aren't yet on store shelves. They'll be trickling into retailers next week, but regardless of which OEM you choose to buy from, they'll all be the same card designed by Nvidia. This kind of homogeneity is only for the early rounds of the cards, however, as vendors are showing their hands of what they plan to do differently once they get their say in manufacturing.
One area that's clearly targeted by vendors is to get the high-heat nature of the new Fermi cards under control. While Nvidia's said publicly that its newest GPU is "designed to run hot," enthusiasts won't likely be taking chances if they don't have to.
EVGA has already gone public with its plans for a water-cooled Hydro Copper water block in a new graphics card series tagged as "FTW." Reports from forums peg pricing for the GTX 470 version at $500 and the GTX 480 at $650. No word on release date yet.
For those wishing to keep things arid, Palit is also planning on upgrading the cooling solution with a dual-fan set up. Aside from confirming that they are a custom design, Palit didn't have any further details to share yet.
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This is "cool"
I guess FTW Stands for "For the Worst"
For the Win...
This is a great thing for overclockers, and those who just want to keep their parts cool. I'd like it more if they included a normal fan in there too, just in case you want to move the card into a system without liquid cooling.
nice work ... but its not there yet
$650.00? A 5970 is $699.99. Pass!
I'm not bashing Fermi at all, in fact I hope it does well (which, in time, it will) - but I just don't get why invest in this right now? The next gen fermi is coming, maybe not soon enough, but it's coming, so I think it makes sense to wait for it unless for some odd reason you MUST have the 1st generation (with the heat, deactivated cores, unreasonable price tag and just sheer knowledge that it's not a good buy) - in which case a watercooled card is pretty much your only option.
A LCS will not increase the performance, well, maybe a little, but not enough to win a place in the best GPU on the market.
First, what's with the fins on the FTW cards? Apparently eVGA thinks LCS systems have airflow in them. Or at least enough airflow to help keep the power circuitry cool...
I also think the stock cooling solutions should be included on cards that come with waterblocks. $350 and $500 buy the cards with stock cooling solutions. 3rd-party waterblocks typically cost between $100 and $150. How is these cards a value to the consumer when they don't include the stock cooling? They added a $150 part and $150 to the price tag to cover the cost of that part. Where's the benefit and value? You say the value is that it's pre-installed? Big deal. Anyone using a LCS already possesses the skill required to install waterblocks properly and could probably break down a stock card, clean it, and install the waterblock in 15 minutes.
Can you say: "BAND-AID"?
Why is this in red? If half the articles are in red, it kindof negates the point of having important things in red. It's just a graphics card with a water cooler...like they've never released one of those before.
First, what's with the fins on the FTW cards? Apparently eVGA thinks LCS systems have airflow in them. Or at least enough airflow to help keep the power circuitry cool...I also think the stock cooling solutions should be included on cards that come with waterblocks. $350 and $500 buy the cards with stock cooling solutions. 3rd-party waterblocks typically cost between $100 and $150. How is these cards a value to the consumer when they don't include the stock cooling? They added a $150 part and $150 to the price tag to cover the cost of that part. Where's the benefit and value? You say the value is that it's pre-installed? Big deal. Anyone using a LCS already possesses the skill required to install waterblocks properly and could probably break down a stock card, clean it, and install the waterblock in 15 minutes.
Agree 100%
Big d'uh. Anything with water cooling = cooler than fan.
FTW... pfft.
Meh
Ughhh
We'll just have to wait and see how this plays out. I'm guessing Nvidia is going to backfill just like ATI, AMD, and Intel.
I fully agree that water cooling is awesome, but the vast majority of people who buy video cards don't have water cooled systems (Like me)
So this isn't really a fix but an added super high end user appeal. This won't move product off the shelves. I'm saving my pennies right now for a new system this summer but with those temps and water cooling not really an option for me, I'll still most likely be aiming at a 5850 or 5870.
According to the chart, the 470 doesn't even get above freezing! That's a good cooler.
First, what's with the fins on the FTW cards? Apparently eVGA thinks LCS systems have airflow in them.
Even in LCS systems most will have a 140mm fan on the side panel so that will create plenty of airflow for cooling the circuitry.
First, what's with the fins on the FTW cards? Apparently eVGA thinks LCS systems have airflow in them. Or at least enough airflow to help keep the power circuitry cool...I also think the stock cooling solutions should be included on cards that come with waterblocks. $350 and $500 buy the cards with stock cooling solutions. 3rd-party waterblocks typically cost between $100 and $150. How is these cards a value to the consumer when they don't include the stock cooling? They added a $150 part and $150 to the price tag to cover the cost of that part. Where's the benefit and value? You say the value is that it's pre-installed? Big deal. Anyone using a LCS already possesses the skill required to install waterblocks properly and could probably break down a stock card, clean it, and install the waterblock in 15 minutes.
that`s why ppl like you don`t get to design things based on physics, you have an air flow inside your computer and you get the air flow even without the presance of an fan, or you think that the winds in nature are driven by large fans and not from the difference in low/hight temperature?
This still doesnt negate the fact that using these cards are going to double your electricity bill, and triple in the case of SLI.
According to the chart, the 470 doesn't even get above freezing! That's a good cooler.
Thats in Celsius...Do you know anything about computers?
Initially, I was somewhat skeptical about the thermal output of Nvidias new graphics offering. After simmering on the idea, I realized that this situation could take us in a new direction. If the market responds to this by creating cheaper water and phase cooling solutions then we will be much better off. Imagine using phase cooling on the GTX 480 and having the headroom to overclock this to new heights. I think cheap, powerful, and efficient phase cooling would be ideal.
This still doesnt negate the fact that using these cards are going to double your electricity bill, and triple in the case of SLI.
Just so you know, people that buy these cards can afford to pay the electric bill
First, what's with the fins on the FTW cards? Apparently eVGA thinks LCS systems have airflow in them. Or at least enough airflow to help keep the power circuitry cool...
Its called heat dissipation. You know? Conduction? Passive cooling? Ringing any bells here?
Initially, I was somewhat skeptical about the thermal output of Nvidias new graphics offering. After simmering on the idea, I realized that this situation could take us in a new direction. If the market responds to this by creating cheaper water and phase cooling solutions then we will be much better off. Imagine using phase cooling on the GTX 480 and having the headroom to overclock this to new heights. I think cheap, powerful, and efficient phase cooling would be ideal.
A Free market solution to a problem? how can this be? LOL! Agree 105%
$150 for a waterblock?
What the hell makes a small hunk of machined copper worth so damned much? Really?
Why not have the barbs horizontally placed instead of vertically? Looks like these could be a single slot card if configured so. Few motherboards support 4 GPU's, and they're massive. How about a 4 way SLI with only single slot liquid cooled GTX 480'd? Slap that on a MicroATX board!
I was playing hl2dm on an 8600M GT last night and it plays fine. My desktop has a better video card in it and gets 2x the frames and I'm content on my laptop. No idea why one would need to buy a $600 video card. Save your money during this recession sheesh.
$650.00? A 5970 is $699.99. Pass!
And uses less power!
This will be good for the people who have dug in and decided they are going to by an Nvidia card no matter what this round. Brand loyalty is very real; for those people this is not a bad solution.
@rooket
it's all a matter of what you want out of your gaming. If you have a 1920x1200 24" screen or even bigger, AND you want frame rates in the 50s 60s for a lot of current games, a few hundred bucks on a video card is the only way to do it. I would have been in the same boat as you a few years back, but once I tried high resolution gaming as fairly smooth frames, it's just hard to go back.
Like going back to a 21" SD TV once you've been using a 42" 1080p for a year
This will be good for the people who have dug in and decided they are going to by an Nvidia card no matter what this round. Brand loyalty is very real; for those people this is not a bad solution.
People will buy this to fold. You can't really fold right now with ATI cards, as they haven't implemented OpenCL support yet, the SMP clients can only use CUDA currently.