Overclocking

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2:00 AM - 09/24/2009 by Paul Henningsen

Considering that the AMD Phenom II X2 550 BE already runs at 3.1 GHz and we are utilizing the rather puny AMD boxed cooler, we sure are not going to see huge 1.5 GHz overclocks on the same scale as those achieved in other SBMs with the Intel Pentium E5200.

Given the cooling limitation, our starting goal this round was to at least match the 3.5 GHz core speed of the E5200 and the Intel boxed cooler used in the May $600 portable gaming system SBM, which is something this dual-core Phenom II should hopefully achieve with little or no voltage boost.   

Having Cool’n’Quiet already disabled in the BIOS, we next disabled CPU Smart Fan Control, allowing the CPU fan to rotate at full RPM. From there, we headed straight to the MB Intelligent Tweaker (MIT) BIOS menu and proceeded to see how high this processor would go at stock voltage. Raising the multiplier .5x at a time, this Phenom II was fully stable at 3.5 GHz (200 * 17.5). Since 3.6 GHz quickly failed stability testing, we knew this processor’s stock 1.3V limit was between 3.5 GHz and 3.6 GHz. 

At this point, CPU core temperatures had already reached 45 degrees Celsius at load. We wouldn’t have too much room for increased voltage, but rather than dial in the exact maximum stock voltage overclock, we bumped the CPU voltage up 0.05V. A clock speed of 3.6 GHz was now fully stable, but 3.7 GHz quickly resulted in one of the cores failing Prime95. Starting at 3.6 GHz (200 * 18), the reference clock was then raised 1 MHz at a time and we tested stability at each resulting core speed. A 204 MHz reference clocked failed stability testing, leaving us a maximum CPU core speed of 3.654 GHz (18 * 203) at 1.35V.

It was next time to maximize this overclock. The process involves raising the northbridge speed, HyperTransport link speed, and memory frequency and tightening memory timings. All this can be time consuming, but the reward can be some fairly significant performance gains. The OCZ DDR2-1066 already needed a +0.300V bump, resulting in 2.144V DIMM voltage, just to run its 5-6-6-18 timings. Rather than tightening timings or pursuing a lower multiplier/higher reference clock (and therefore a higher resulting memory frequency), we instead focused on raising the northbridge speed for the greatest overall performance impact.

Raising the northbridge speed eventually requires an increase in the CPU northbridge voltage, but doing this also slightly raises the CPU’s temperature. We found with just a 0.1V bump to 1.2V that we had stability at a 2,436 MHz northbridge speed. This raised our CPU load temperatures three more degrees, so just like the CPU core speed, our cooling solution limited our ability to raise the northbridge speed. Still, we can’t complain, as the overall overclock achieved with this CPU and boxed cooler was above our initial expectations.  

Our final attempt to gain performance comes from overclocking the pair of Sapphire Radeon HD 4850 graphics cards. Both the core and memory were independently overclocked. We had no problem maxing out Catalyst Control Center’s (CCC) highest-available core frequency of 700 MHz. Stability testing the cards’ memory overclock worked fine up to 1,160 MHz, but when running together with the core overclocked, minor artifacts were revealed at 1,150 MHz. We decided to play it safe with the graphics memory and knock it down to 1,130 MHz for our performance testing. 

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dirtmountain 09/24/2009 8:39 AM
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A nicely done build, great work with overclocking on a stock cooler and an impeccable write up. Thanks for the great article Mr. Henningsen. AMD did a good job for a budget build, especially at stock clocks.

one-shot 09/24/2009 8:39 AM
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Great article! It's crazy to see all of that packed into a case for only ~$650.

Anonymous 09/24/2009 8:42 AM
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anamaniac 09/24/2009 8:44 AM
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Wonderful. =D

What about the new $100 quad core athlon with no L3?
I know I like extra cores. Wonderful choice regardless.

I wonder what the quad core athlon with a 512MB 5850 (which would increase the budget though) will be like. Both cheap yet highend parts. =D

Nice to see what only a pocketful of cash can get you.

tacoslave 09/24/2009 8:51 AM
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i know it wasn't available at the time but what about that 100 dollar quad core the athlon II x4?

rdawise 09/24/2009 8:57 AM
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Good article. I know you stated you were leaving the "unlocking" of the other cores to the winner of the contest, but were you guys able to unlock? If so, could you re-run those benchmarks? Again great article.

stray_gator 09/24/2009 9:17 AM
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While "forcing" all AMD builds for a single marathon is a good idea, the timing is somewhat unfortunate.
An article which explores the performance and value of a complete Lynnfield build is something I (and many others, i'd dare to guess) would like to see but haven't yet, and this month's SBM is a missed opportunity in that regard.

jj463rd 09/24/2009 9:23 AM
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That's a bitchin budget gamer system especially looking at the gaming benchmarks.Just this month I was thinking about building a similar type of system with the Phenom II X2 550BE.I was going to go with gigabytes 785G type board (just one graphics card slot) though however I may reconsider that especially with what you presented here although I was shooting for a much cheaper budget build (about $180 less than what you have),Newegg did have a gigabyte 785G board with the Phenom II X2 and $20 off in a combo deal until the end of this month.
I think that your choices were better than mine (more powerful).

gkay09 09/24/2009 9:28 AM
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Another alternate mobo - 785G ...they are availbale in AM3/AM2+ flavours and have SB 710, which can allow core unlocking -http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128394
But not sure about their o/c potential though...

neiroatopelcc 09/24/2009 9:37 AM
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Nice to see a cheap system still using a quality motherboard.

lvlouro 09/24/2009 10:01 AM
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ChairFace :
I usually love reading these, but this time I just went directly to the comment section. There's no point in building or owning an amd box, they are too weak compared to modern Intel/Nvidia based systems.



It's a budget build... I doubt that you could do any better with intel for this price, and seriously doubt that nvidia would be better.

Face it nvidia is not the best right now. I own a 8800GT 512, it was/is an excelent card but just because nvidia did something awesome doesn't mean that presently it's the best choice.

I really can't understand people who bias their choices based on the brand.
My advice: don't buy a brand buy quality/performance/cost, it will save you some money and you'll be better served...

jj463rd 09/24/2009 10:04 AM
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gkay09 :
Another alternate mobo - 785G ...they are availbale in AM3/AM2+ flavours and have SB 710, which can allow core unlocking -http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128394 But not sure about their o/c potential though...


Yeah that was the one in the combo deal with the Phenom II X2 550 BE.
I was considering one Radeon 5850 card for it.I wonder how one Radeon 5850 compares to 2 Radeon 4850's CF'd.

neiroatopelcc 09/24/2009 10:13 AM
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jj463rd :
I wonder how one Radeon 5850 compares to 2 Radeon 4850's CF'd.


http://www.tomshardware.com/review [...] 22-16.html
The new big brother of the new card's shown here. Given the minor differences in speed and a few shaders missing I'm guessing this chart's difference between 2x4870 and 5870 account more or less to the difference between a 5850 and 2x4850 (assuming 1gb memory, 512 just isn't enough for 2500, and at 1600 u only need one 4850 512mb in most games).
In any event - consider the savings in power consumption when calculating cost. The new cards are so much cheaper to idle - and my 4870 idles most of the time.

gkay09 09/24/2009 10:23 AM
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And why not this HDD? Wouldnt this be faster than that WD Blue ?
Samsung F3 500GB
$49.99 with Free Shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6822152181

amnotanoobie 09/24/2009 11:08 AM
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Just a thought, would the Athlon II X4 be a better alternative if the user is geared towards productivity apps rather than games?

neiroatopelcc 09/24/2009 11:14 AM
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amnotanoobie :
Just a thought, would the Athlon II X4 be a better alternative if the user is geared towards productivity apps rather than games?


If a user is geared towards that, something with an i7 is a better choice. Just drop the graphics altogether (or get a 4650 or something).

toxxel 09/24/2009 11:32 AM
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All hopes go to the winner of this system on a successful unlock of the 2 disabled cores, after throwing on a nice after market hsf. Though I wonder how this build would have went with a single 4870 1gb instead of two 4850's and an after market cooler was used bench wise with it running x4 not x2. Winner might want to do some research if unsuccessful at unlocking with the stock bios after reading buyer comments on the mb which bios version to flash(latest isn't always best).

r_manic 09/24/2009 11:58 AM
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jj463rd 09/24/2009 11:59 AM
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You know after all it would be very hard to out do this budget system build especially if the cores are unlocked.Dang

r0x0r 09/24/2009 12:15 PM
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Can I enter the competition if I live outside of the United States?


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