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The Advantages Of Sparse Voxel Octrees (Continued)

Next-Gen 3D Rendering Technology: Voxel Ray Casting
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A number of researchers have worked on ways to make the move from one level of detail to another smoother, using what’s called a progressive mesh. The idea is, for each level of detail, to separate the vertices into two groups: parent vertices and child vertices. When the level of details decreases, the child vertices gradually draw closer to their parents. When the level of detail reaches a new integer value, the child vertices are deleted, along with all of the edges that connected them to their parents.

This technique works, but it’s not completely automatic. It requires additional input from the artists to indicate which edges are most important to preserve. That additional work means less time available for refining models.

Another way of solving the problem (which we’re hearing a lot about with the arrival of DirectX 11 cards ) is tessellation of higher-order primitives (patches), possibly coupled with displacement mapping. The arrival of this technique has appeared promising on paper for years (ah, the Parhelia…) without any real concrete results. But maybe this time it’ll be for real.

Once again, the technique is valid and could well meet with a certain level of success, given the efforts of Microsoft and AMD to push developers in that direction. But voxel octrees remain a tempting alternative. As we said above, they can solve the problem of geometry and texture with a single algorithm, and in addition, the selection of level of detail is very easy. After all, evaluating the size of a voxel on the screen is simple, but it’s more complicated for a triangle.

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    DjEaZy , October 21, 2009 6:17 AM
    ... the 'matrix' is near... by this rate of progress...
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    doomtomb , October 21, 2009 6:23 AM
    This stuff is pretty interesting but a little over my head. The only thing I really care about is when we will start seeing this in our games.
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    curnel_D , October 21, 2009 6:53 AM
    This technology sounds a TON more promising than Ray tracing.
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    the_krasno , October 21, 2009 7:09 AM
    This is awesome, the people that can really gain something here are amateur filmmakers that can't afford the giant rendering farms big studios have! :) 
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    the_krasno , October 21, 2009 7:09 AM
    the_krasnoThis is awesome, the people that can really gain something here are amateur filmmakers that can't afford the giant rendering farms big studios have!

    I meant independent, not amateur. Sorry.
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    Anonymous , October 21, 2009 7:10 AM
    personally i like raytracing, except for the performance issues. if you've ever tried doing a little 3d rendering, ray tracing is very good, makes things look very real if done properly. again i know it is slow
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    liquidsnake718 , October 21, 2009 7:41 AM
    Very interesting stuff, I do understand how limiting cubes or voxels can be limited in terms of depth and height(same height per distance) as polygons have that advantage where the triangle gives us just that, an angle that can be measured in terms of height and distanve. We have a vanishing point with a triangle as well.....

    Iwonder if they can impliment both polygons and advanced cubes with different sizes for the initial layers creating a more fluid and complexed scenario or landscape........
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    JonathanDeane , October 21, 2009 7:59 AM
    Interesting but voxels will have some extreme performance and space constraint hurdles to overcome before they become the main rendering of any game. I just downloaded a small demo http://www.advsys.net/ken/voxlap/voxlap03.htm its a little over 500K for the whole works but after you hit the genall batch file (it speeds up loading) the thing occupies about 120MB's of space for this simple game. Something like Quake 3 would have been a multi DVD file...
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    mlopinto2k1 , October 21, 2009 10:40 AM
    Pretty cool stuff.
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    amdfangirl , October 21, 2009 11:08 AM
    Better put off upgrading my computer... again :p 
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    Anonymous , October 21, 2009 11:33 AM
    In the regular resolution 12x12 you get 144 cells instead of 122 as stated in the text
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    fatedtodie , October 21, 2009 11:59 AM
    Based on John Carmack's record if he says it is bad... you should do it, seeing as anyone with a memory will recall the time he said multi-core was a waste of time and we should continue the Ghz race (even those the Ghz race achieved Moore's Law).

    John Carmack is a dinosaur and will try any new technology if paid enough (see his changing his mind on multi-core to "help" on the xbox 360).

    Please get an expert that isn't a moron.
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    bin1127 , October 21, 2009 12:43 PM
    “pixel” is a fusion of the terms “picture” and “element,”, learned something new.

    But i wouldn't want destructible walls. How am i going to camp when all the walls are gone?
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    manwell999 , October 21, 2009 1:11 PM
    Since when does a tree have attached children?
    It's unfortunate that the example of MRI scan example was used. Medical software must avoid the habit of naming branches in tree structures as children, lest an error message is displayed accidentally to a patient such as "Out of memory allocating children, child process aborted." Which would be a lawsuit if scanning a pregnant female. But this bad coding practice is quite common.
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    zak_mckraken , October 21, 2009 1:43 PM
    @manwell999 : lawl
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    JimmiG , October 21, 2009 3:37 PM
    fatedtodieanyone with a memory will recall the time he said multi-core was a waste of time and we should continue the Ghz race


    Well, back in the day, everyone was talking about higher GHz as the solution to everything. Even Intel did:
    http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1026758/desktop-chips-hit-15ghz-2010
    "LUCKY PUNTERS WILL BE ABLE TO BUY 15GHZ INTEL CHIPS, containing a billion transistors, by the end of the decade, said Pat Gelsinger, Intel veep and CTO in his keynote at the Intel Developer Forum in Tokyo today. Gelsinger also predicted that PDAs will hit 5GHz in the same timeframe. It's unlikely the chips will use the existing Pentium 4 architecture which is reckoned to only be good up to around 10GHz. "

    Then Intel hit the thermal/power wall some time in 2004-2005, before even making it to 4 GHz. This of course signaled the end of such optimism. If that hadn't happened, higher clock speeds would still have been the best way to make faster CPUs. That makes all code run faster, not just code that is carefully optimized to extract parallelism. Multi-core CPUs for desktops and laptops initially came around not because it was the best choice for improving performance, but because it was not possible to further increase clock speed.
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    precariousgray , October 21, 2009 3:41 PM
    Here's what I saw.

    That example should give you an intuitive idea of one of the advantages of using trees.
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    kikireeki , October 21, 2009 5:28 PM
    What happened to Normal Mapping?
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    JonathanDeane , October 21, 2009 5:54 PM
    kikireekiWhat happened to Normal Mapping?


    Hmmm maybe using a skin of voxels on top of a polygon mesh would be good for facial animation stuff, that sounds interesting to me or a mesh of polygons on top of the voxels for deformation purposes. Ok my mind is officially fried you may all proceed to LOL at me :) 
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    spiketheaardvark , October 21, 2009 6:43 PM
    I wish the article discussed how such a system would handle transparent objects and refracted light sources , such as an image of a glass of water.
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