We Turned an Intel 13th Gen Laptop Into an AMD System in Under 30 Minutes

AMD 7040 Framework
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Laptops are usually pretty fixed. There have been the occasional monster gaming laptop with socketed CPUs. But typically when you buy any of the best ultrabooks, you're committing to your most important specs, including your processor and graphics.

Or at least, that used to be the case. Framework is now shipping its first AMD mainboards, and they work with the company's existing laptops. Whether you're looking to upgrade one of the company's first laptops or you just want to switch platforms, it's possible to move from Intel to AMD and back again.

This also lets us compare an AMD Ryzen 7 7840U to an Intel Core i7-1370P in the same chassis – at least, to a certain degree. Framework's AMD board supports some advancements that the Intel versions don't yet have, including DDR5 RAM, which may give it an edge in some benchmarks. The AMD board also requires a different, AMD-compatible Wi-Fi card, which brought some fun issues during setup.

Framework also sent along a different, faster SSD this time around, which again gives AMD an edge in some tests. But since you bring your own drive, your mileage may vary.

As of this writing, Framework is only selling its AMD 7040 series mainboards as upgrade kits, starting at $449  for an AMD Ryzen 5 7640U board and $699 for the Ryzen 7 7840U board we tried out. Framework also lent us 16GB of GB of DDR5-5600 RAM (2 x 8GB) and the AMD RZ616 Wi-Fi 6E wireless module, which brings the cost of this upgrade to $797 before the SSD Framework added in.

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  • helper800
    I love Framework, and if I ever need a laptop I am grabbing one of theirs. Thanks for the review, cool and modular laptops at their finest.
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  • g-unit1111
    Wow, I'd never heard of Framework before but I think I may have found my dream laptop here. And I'm actually going to be in the market for one relatively soon.
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  • helper800
    g-unit1111 said:
    Wow, I'd never heard of Framework before but I think I may have found my dream laptop here. And I'm actually going to be in the market for one relatively soon.
    I have recommended a few to a friend and some family members, and they love their laptops. They see the higher cost compared to others as a form of insurance in being able to get parts and upgrade in the future. Still cheaper than most apple laptops at least. I really hope they become one of the biggest laptop makers!
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  • Giroro
    So you can spend the nearly the cost of a fully new laptop to slightly upgrade an existing laptop?
    You realize you can do an expensive full main board swap or repair of nearly any laptop, right? At least the ones that aren't glued together to be extra slim and fancy. But people usually don't want do that because it's, you know, a huge waste of money to upgrade an old worn out laptop.
    I guess I don't see framework as being very special. They are at best just basic overpriced business laptops with a gimmick and a big marketing budget to buy influencers.
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  • helper800
    Giroro said:
    So you can spend the nearly the cost of a fully new laptop to slightly upgrade an existing laptop?
    You realize you can do an expensive full main board swap or repair of nearly any laptop, right? At least the ones that aren't glued together to be extra slim and fancy. But people usually don't want do that because it's, you know, a huge waste of money to upgrade an old worn out laptop.
    I guess I don't see framework as being very special. They are at best just basic overpriced business laptops with a gimmick and a big marketing budget to buy influencers.
    No, you can spend nearly the same cost of a new laptop to reduce e-waste, upgrade a 4 year old generation 1 framework laptop, and reuse the old mainboard as an additional PC. Also, everything is upgradable, replaceable, and has some personalization options. There is no planned obsolescence in a framework laptop, nor are their parts prices so high its cheaper to buy a new one because the keyboard died, or the screen cracked.
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  • g-unit1111
    helper800 said:
    I have recommended a few to a friend and some family members, and they love their laptops. They see the higher cost compared to others as a form of insurance in being able to get parts and upgrade in the future. Still cheaper than most apple laptops at least. I really hope they become one of the biggest laptop makers!

    Yeah it's an interesting idea for sure. I'm definitely intrigued by this concept. I want the Dell XPS for my next laptop, but this is looking like a much more interesting purchase.
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  • HaninTH
    Giroro said:
    So you can spend the nearly the cost of a fully new laptop to slightly upgrade an existing laptop?
    You realize you can do an expensive full main board swap or repair of nearly any laptop, right? At least the ones that aren't glued together to be extra slim and fancy. But people usually don't want do that because it's, you know, a huge waste of money to upgrade an old worn out laptop.
    I guess I don't see framework as being very special. They are at best just basic overpriced business laptops with a gimmick and a big marketing budget to buy influencers.

    Not everything is imagined specifically for you. Initial technology offerings tend to cost more as production volume is low but should, and usually do, tend to lower as production ramps up. As a former device manager for a SMB, these would be a lovely treat as a huge contention point for end users is any one or group of them having a laptop model perceived to be better than the others. Since everyone would have the same laptop casing, the majority would never know anyone has anything different than themselves.

    But also, the upgrade and repair options for these units would also make a corporate IT helpdesk/systems admin team very happy, I believe. Current laptop repair processing times from the big 3 are terrible and I am in a major metro area.
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  • TechieTwo
    The modular concept is nice but the pricing is totally impractical from my review of their products. I like to buy but not at the full price of a new laptop to upgrade just the mobo and DRAM.
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  • Giroro
    helper800 said:
    No, you can spend nearly the same cost of a new laptop to reduce e-waste, upgrade a 4 year old generation 1 framework laptop, and reuse the old mainboard as an additional PC. Also, everything is upgradable, replaceable, and has some personalization options. There is no planned obsolescence in a framework laptop, nor are their parts prices so high its cheaper to buy a new one because the keyboard died, or the screen cracked.

    Literally every company is using the same AI-generated marketing words about being environmentally friendly, that doesn't move the needle anymore. A circuit card is a circuit card is a circuit card. It's like I said, it's marketing BS. They aren't special. If you buy 2 laptops worth of parts over piece-by-piece over 2 years vs buying a laptop, and then buying another laptop 2 years later? What is the net difference, other than the piecemeal version means a lot more shipping trucks driving to your address?
    The reason most people (even computer nerds) don't upgrade the CPU in laptops isn't because you *can't*, It's because it's not worth it.
    A CPU upgrade for a mainstream laptop requires a mainboard replacement, which is proprietary and expensive. When you want to upgrade a Framework laptop, you need to buy a mainboard replacement... which is proprietary and expensive. This 7840U upgrade costs $700 (RAM, wifi, and GPU not included). You can walk down to bestbuy today and get a more powerful Ryzen 7 7840HS gaming laptop with an RTX4050 (and also the rest of the laptop) for $750.
    What am I missing here?

    This company lost me with the full frontal homepage co-marketing with LTT and David2D. But, they lost me for real when I realized they are banking on reviews judging their product on "base" prices for partial-products that are not usable laptops. Framework is working really hard to sell the idea their product will "save you money", and that just isn't true.
    When you buy a "DIY Edition" framework laptop, literally everything is an upcharge. Power supply, windows, SSD, RAM, even basic USB and audio jacks. But Reviewers continue to think the DIY edition is a full laptop. For example PC Mag embarrassed itself in it's Framework Laptop 13 review by saying a negative of Framework is "Pre-built system comes at a premium" - but the prebuilt includes all the pieces you 100% have to buy to get a working computer. The prebuilt base model, is actually $63 cheaper than the identical minimum-viable configuration of the DIY edition.
    But PC mag didn't know that the pre-built are sold at a discount over the DIY version. Because Framework didn't tell them upfront, nor correct them after publishing. Framework seems to want people to be on their site and halfway through configuring their laptop before letting them know that the $850 base price only gets you a half-built barebones PC that requires another $200+ to get running. The $850 version apparently can't even be charged until you add on at least 1x $9 USB-C expansion card.

    You can get into the nitty gritty of configurations, but the tldr is that a framework laptop with 1 additional mainboard upgrade is working out to be about the same price as buying 2 regular brand-new laptops.
    So you can have a laptop with a new processor paired with an aging screen/battery/keyboard and an old mainboard sitting in a plastic bag, or you can have a fully new laptop with a still very-usable second laptop. You could use that Framework mainboard to start to building out a second PC, or you could just already have 2 working PCs.
    You could even save the environment by giving that useful second laptop to somebody who otherwise needed to have killed the planet by buying a new laptop, right?
    Or even better yet, you can just be normal and use that keep using that old laptop until the screen/battery/keyboard make you sad.
    When you're buying a laptop, you're really buying a monitor/keyboard with some computer attached and a warranty. You're buying the complete package. Save specs and raw power for the desktop, where you don't have to worry about a compromise with weight and battery life.
    So maybe Framework can get back to me when they are offering a bunch of different monitor and keyboard options with a regular cadence of upgrades, because replacing the mainboard is never going to be worth the cost, regardless of how easy they make it.
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  • Giroro
    HaninTH said:
    Not everything is imagined specifically for you. Initial technology offerings tend to cost more as production volume is low but should, and usually do, tend to lower as production ramps up. As a former device manager for a SMB, these would be a lovely treat as a huge contention point for end users is any one or group of them having a laptop model perceived to be better than the others. Since everyone would have the same laptop casing, the majority would never know anyone has anything different than themselves.

    But also, the upgrade and repair options for these units would also make a corporate IT helpdesk/systems admin team very happy, I believe. Current laptop repair processing times from the big 3 are terrible and I am in a major metro area.

    Why would an SMB want laptops where the sales pitch is that it's supposed to be really easy for the end user to rip it open, customize, and otherwise mess with it? That sounds like it would cause way more problems than it solves.
    I would think the more concerning issues would be the need for a stable corporate warranty process, and also that Framework doesn't sell a docking station.
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