AMD has been talking about advantages of its 3D V-Cache for gaming for several months without disclosing the actual launch date of its Ryzen 7 5800X3D CPU or its price. According to a new leak from VideoCardz, AMD will formally launch its Ryzen 7 5800X3D chip on April 20 and the CPU will cost $449. This will be the first 3D V-Cache processor from AMD, and will look to compete with the best CPUs for gaming.
AMD's Ryzen 7 5800X3D processor will feature eight Zen 3 cores clocked at 3.40–4.50 GHz and will be equipped with 32MB of on-die L3 cache, as well as 64MB of 3D V-Cache in a stacked tile that operates as a part of L3 cache and expands the L3 capacity to 96MB. Add in the eight cores with 512KB of L2 each and the chip will feature a whopping 100MB cache. Large caches improve memory bandwidth and single-thread performance, just what the doctor ordered for games, which is why AMD positions its Ryzen 7 5800X3D primarily for gaming and even prices it below $500 as so not to scare off potential buyers.
As expected, alongside its Ryzen 7 5800X3D, AMD plans to introduce a number of cheaper Ryzen 5000-series and Ryzen 4000-series desktop offerings with eight, six, or four cores targeting gamers in budget as well as mainstream PCs.
AMD's Ryzen 7 5700X, Ryzen 5 5600, and Ryzen 5 5500 will complement the existing Ryzen 5000-series lineup and will make it slightly more accessible. Keep in mind that the Ryzen 5 5500 will use codenamed Cezanne silicon (still Zen 3) with disabled graphics, so it will feature a considerably smaller cache than its Ryzen 5600 counterpart that relies on the Vermeer die.
Also coming in April, AMD will officially offer its Ryzen 5 4600G in retail and will add Ryzen 5 4500 and Ryzen 3 4100 parts without graphics for inexpensive PCs.
AMD has not officially revealed the above details, so take the April 20 launch date and prices with a helping of salt. Still, that date coincides with a previously rumored Radeon RX 6950 XT/6750 XT/6650 XT launch date. Obviously, both the date and prices may change. Meanwhile, AMD's EPYC 'Milan-X' with 3D V-Cache is set to be available in March, so it makes sense for Ryzen CPUs with 3D V-Cache to arrive shortly after.
We've put together the following table showing the rumored specifications and prices for AMD's upcoming CPUs.
|Header Cell - Column 0||Cores/Threads||Clocks||L3 Cache||Design/Architecture||TDP||MSRP|
|Ryzen 7 5800X3D||8/16||3.40 GHz/4.50 GHz||96MB||Vermeer/Zen 3||105W||$449|
|Ryzen 7 5700X||8/16||3.40 GHz/4.60 GHz||32MB||Vermeer/Zen 3||65W||$299|
|Ryzen 5 5600||6/12||3.50 GHz/4.40 GHz||32MB||Vermeer/Zen 3||65W||$199|
|Ryzen 5 5500||6/12||3.60 GHz/4.20 GHz||16MB||Cezanne/Zen 3||65W||$159|
|Ryzen 5 4600G||6/12||3.70 GHz/4.20 GHz||8MB||Renoir/Zen 2||65W||$154|
|Ryzen 5 4500||6/12||3.60 GHz/4.10 GHz||8MB||Renoir-X/Zen 2||65W||$129|
|Ryzen 3 4100||4/8||3.80 GHz/4.0 GHz||4MB||Renoir-X/Zen 2||65W||$99|
While Zen 4-based processors are still expected to launch sometime in 2022, AMD's executive implied that it has some new Ryzen 5000 offerings in the pipeline that will address market segments that AMD has not properly addressed yet, such as premium and commercial notebooks.
"We have more platforms coming with Ryzen 5000 in our next generation," said Su when asked about AMD's performance in the PC space should demand for computers slow down. "We are still underrepresented across the board in the markets that we play in, whether you are talking about datacenter or PCs, or gaming. On the PC side […] we are making very good progress in commercial, premium gaming notebooks, premium consumer [laptops]."
AMD's CEO did not elaborate on how the company plans to improve its next-generation Ryzen 5000-series APUs and CPUs. A frequency hike is one of the options for mainstream processors. For the high-end market segment AMD plans to introduce CPUs with 3D V-cache it showcased earlier this year.
So, this song is for AMD and their 5800X3D!
100$ less you get a 5800x, who cares about the small performance loss.
For 100$ more you get 12900k, iGPU +extra 8 cores.
no value into paying premium for 8core from AMD; zen3 is too old & Intel cpus are available / cheaper
The 5600X is a little faster than the 12400, so the 5600 with slightly lower clocks should offer comparable performance to that processor, at a comparable price, especially once the lower motherboard costs for a given feature set are taken into account.
The 5800X tends to often manage higher application performance than the 12600K, and comes relatively close to it in gaming performance, so again, a 5700X with slightly lower boost clocks and a similar price should be directly competing there as well. I guess there's also the 12700F for a little more that might be a slightly better option for multi-threaded workloads, but again, both it and it's motherboards are priced a bit higher.
And the 5800X3D is hard to say at this point. AMD was calling it "The world's fastest gaming processor" at CES, so if it tends to outperform Intel's highest-end options at gaming and certain other workloads, there will probably be a decent market for it.
So the prices look to be par for the course with Intel's latest offerings. A little underwhelming, as they don't really appear to offer any significant value over the competition, but not bad. Really though, with the exception of the 5800X3D, these processors arguably should have come out a year ago. The 5600 and 5700X were originally rumored to be launching in early 2021, albeit priced slightly higher. But, AMD likely realized that Rocket Lake wasn't going to regain the performance crown, and knew they couldn't keep up with supply at the lower price points, so they just focused on the higher-end parts, and didn't launch these to avoid undercutting themselves. At this point, the processors are probably fine at these price points, but aren't likely to turn many heads when Intel is already offering similar value. Then again, these are just rumored prices, and might not even be accurate.
This is not a product that AMD intends to bring to the market to begin with. If not because of the shocking performance uplift offered by ADL, I think AMD would have waited till Zen 4 to release the 3D cache. At this point in time, I feel it will be very difficult to recommend this chip because for existing AM4 board users, the chip may be too expensive, and/or, offers too little consistent performance uplift to upgrade. The cache benefits some games and apps, so performance uplift is not across the board. For people buying a new system, the price and the limited lifespan of AM4 is likely going to put people off. The price may not be as bad because a cheap B550 board should easily allow the chip to run at its full potential, unlike on an Intel platform where the chip may be cheaper, but may require a more expensive budget board to keep it chugging along properly. I feel AMD is well aware that demand may not be great, so I don’t think they will produce a lot of this 5800X3D chip. After all, it is just a stop gap solution.
I do think people buying high-end chips might be more prone to wait and see what Zen4 and AM5 have to offer though. It does feel a bit like a stop-gap product, much Intel's 11th-gen processors. Though it's probable they'll keep AM4 and the 5000-series around for some time to support the more mid-range to lower-end market where DDR5 doesn't yet make as much sense, and they might even release other V-Cache models for AM4.
As for not being a product AMD intended to bring to market, I don't really think that's the case. Zen3's chiplets were designed from the start to support the technology, and existing processors already have the interconnects in place for it, so it's not like they just randomly decided to tack on a cache chip after the fact. It's possible that they may have adjusted their plans though, as they might have originally intended to release V-Cache chips earlier, or across a wider range.