AMD's latest Ryzen APUs trounce China's best home-grown gaming cards — Ryzen 8000G easily outperforms Moore Threads MTT S80 and S30

Ryzen 8000G
Ryzen 8000G (Image credit: AMD)

Ryzen 8000G APUs continue to demonstrate why they are some of the best CPUs for gaming (specifically the Ryzen 5 8600G is our entry level alternative gaming pick). According to the German publication Computerbase, AMD's desktop Zen 4 chips with on-chip RDNA 3 graphics outperformed the Moore Threads MTT S80 and MTT S30, two of China's fastest domestic gaming graphics cards.

Like Intel's first-generation of Arc Alchemist graphics cards, Moore Threads also faced many performance and compatibility issues with its MTT graphics cards. The hardware wasn't holding back the MTT S80 and MTT S30, but rather the drivers. The drivers have gradually improved the MTT S80 and MTT S30 performance, which drove Computerbase to benchmark Moore Threads' graphics cards to see how they stack up against comparable Nvidia and AMD rivals.

The Ryzen 7 8700G was up to 90% faster than the MTT S80. With overclocked DDR5 memory, the Ryzen 7 8700G pushed the margin to 112%. The Ryzen 5 8600G was also faster than the MTT S80, posting 60% higher gaming performance. The MTT S80 was marginally better than AMD's integrated Vega graphics. The MTT S80 achieved 8% higher performance than the previous Ryzen 7 5700G, which wields Zen 3 execution cores with Radeon Vega graphics.

The MTT S30 was an utter disappointment, though. Since it targets office use cases, the level of performance was expected, and it's essentially an alternative to integrated graphics. The MTT S30 couldn't even outperform the Intel UHD Graphics 770 engine integrated into the Core i5-12500.

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Graphics CardAverage FPSFrame Time
GeForce GTX 165011781
Radeon RX 640011274
Ryzen 7 8700G (RAM OC)8958
Ryzen 7 8700G8052
Ryzen 5 8600G6747
MTT S804229
Ryzen 7 5700G3925
Ryzen 5 5600G3624
Core i5-125002216
MTT S30116

Computerbase tested the different graphics cards and APUs at a 1920 x 1080 resolution. The outlet specifically paired the MTT S80 and MTT S30 with a Ryzen 7 5800X and 16GB of DDR4-3200 C14 memory on the MSI MAG B550 Tomahawk. It used the latest 240.60 drivers.

Meanwhile, the Core i5-12500 and Ryzen 5 7500F powered the GeForce GTX 1650 and Radeon RX 6400 systems, respectively. As for the Ryzen 8000G tests, Computerbase utilized DDR5-5200 C32 memory for the base tests and faster DDR5-7200 C34 memory for the overclocked tests.

Although the new drivers have improved the MTT S80 and MTT S30 performance, much remains to be done. The China-made graphics card only works with some DirectX 11 games, and the DirectX 12 ones are out of the picture. The MTT S80 and MTT S30 were most effective in popular online multiplayer titles, which is likely the graphics card's target audience. The MTT S80 was decent in Dota 2 and Counter-Strike 2, offering average frame rates of 66.8 FPS and 59.5 FPS, respectively. 

Moore Threads is already preparing the MTT S90 and recently laid off some of its workforce due to U.S. sanctions. So it's unknown if the company has altered the resources dedicated to driver development. Either way, we should still see driver enhancements since the MTT S90 is unlikely to feature a new architecture.

Zhiye Liu
News Editor and Memory Reviewer

Zhiye Liu is a news editor and memory reviewer at Tom’s Hardware. Although he loves everything that’s hardware, he has a soft spot for CPUs, GPUs, and RAM.

  • CmdrShepard
    I mean, is anyone surprised that an established GPU making company with 30+ years of experience and access to modern process nodes can beat Chinese GPU companies which are also under sanctions?

    The title of this article is nothing more than boasting of shameless bullies -- "look what we can do when we have an advantage and then take extra steps to cripple competition".

    Author should be ashamed for framing it like this, and there is plenty of shame left for U.S. government for using sanctions like this and forcing other countries to participate.
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  • ohio_buckeye
    CmdrShepard said:
    I mean, is anyone surprised that an established GPU making company with 30+ years of experience and access to modern process nodes can beat Chinese GPU companies which are also under sanctions?

    The title of this article is nothing more than boasting of shameless bullies -- "look what we can do when we have an advantage and then take extra steps to cripple competition".

    Author should be ashamed for framing it like this, and there is plenty of shame left for U.S. government for using sanctions like this and forcing other countries to participate.
    Not supposed to be political on this forum.
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  • hotaru251
    cpntineu

    i know its meant to be "continue" but how the heck did a human typo that?? (this from a person who frequently typos)
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  • CmdrShepard
    ohio_buckeye said:
    Not supposed to be political on this forum.
    Maybe they should be more careful when writing article titles then?

    The current title reveals both the author's and the publication's political bias.

    I'll tell you what I think would have been a fair and unbiased title:

    AMD's latest Ryzen APUs outperform gaming cards from a sanctioned Chinese manufacturer
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  • Crazyy8
    CmdrShepard said:
    I mean, is anyone surprised that an established GPU making company with 30+ years of experience and access to modern process nodes can beat Chinese GPU companies which are also under sanctions?

    The title of this article is nothing more than boasting of shameless bullies -- "look what we can do when we have an advantage and then take extra steps to cripple competition".

    Author should be ashamed for framing it like this, and there is plenty of shame left for U.S. government for using sanctions like this and forcing other countries to participate.
    The point of the article is that AMD managed to fit a better graphics processor into a smaller package compared to a newcomer with full size GPUs. It doesn't matter that China is under sanctions, that's not the point of the article. I don't see you complaining when a GTX 1630 outperforms the MTT S80.
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  • JamesLahey
    We can’t discuss the sanctioning of Chinese tech firms and ignore the fact that they - as a bloc - rely on industrial and technical espionage to suddenly become competitive from nowhere.

    That said, the supplied benchmarks here are interesting to people who may be looking at a non-discrete GPU laptop that can occasionally boot a gaming title.
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  • ohio_buckeye
    No matter your viewpoint on sanctions it’s interesting that these apus have come that far. When they can get them to gtx 1070-1080 performance then that will make things more interesting.
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  • Avro Arrow
    This isn't exactly a surprise. The first ATi video card I owned was back in 1988, literally 36 years ago. For Chinese purposes, as long as it reliably displays 2D imagery, that's perfectly usable. Only gamers like us truly care about 3D performance and while we are legion, we're still not the majority. Lots of people just play 2D games on platforms like Facebook (or whatever China's equivalent is) and the vast majority of computers are engaged in digital commerce, something that has no use for 3D acceleration whatsoever.

    If there's anything that we've learnt over the years, it's that, given time, anyone can accomplish anything, especially in Asia. Before my time, anything made in Japan was considered garbage, when I was a kid, anything made in Taiwan was considered garbage and twenty years ago, anything made in China was considered garbage.

    Now, Japan is the world-leader in technological advancement, Taiwan is the world-leader in integrated circuit production and China is the world leader in the production of everything else. It's only a matter of time before China catches up and for those who bemoan this, the blame can be squarely put on the shoulders of greedy corporations that moved all of the manufacturing jobs overseas. This lined the pockets of the rich, left millions of Americans unemployed and literally handed American trade secrets to the Chinese. None of what has happened in the last twenty years should be considered a surprise to anyone.
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  • kremenny
    Better still, keep ALL consumer GPUs out of Chinese hands. Cannot play foreign AAA titles
    ...keep ALL the bad influences out. The youths can focus on study and research to overtake the rest of the world technologically. Most popular titles are on mobile devices anyway.
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  • Crazyy8
    kremenny said:
    Better still, keep ALL consumer GPUs out of Chinese hands. Cannot play foreign AAA titles
    ...keep ALL the bad influences out. The youths can focus on study and research to overtake the rest of the world technologically. Most popular titles are on mobile devices anyway.
    China in a nutshell
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