Taken on its own, the new revision of AMD's Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition isn't particularly notable, but it was never meant to be. Taken in context, however, the chip plays its part in AMD's larger strategy of enabling an upgradable family of CPUs and socket interfaces. In fact, the Athlon II/Phenom II platform flexibility is a strategy that we find very attractive, and is probably the best thing AMD can do in its present circumstances.
The upcoming game-changer, of course, is Intel's upcoming Core i5 and Core i3 models, all sharing the same LGA 1156 socket used by today's Lynnfield-based Core i5 and i7 CPUs. Once these new processor arrive, Intel may be able to offer a platform with very similar upgrade characteristics as AMD's AM2+/AM3 solution, but with even more performance potential on the higher end of the spectrum.
The big question is, if the upcoming low-cost Core i3 and i5 models are dual-core CPUs able to handle two-threads per core, how well will they stand up against AMD's Athlon II and Phenom II X2, X3, and X4 models with up to four physical cores? Will these new Intel processors perform well enough to force further Phenom II price drops, or will the new models perform in the same ballpark, allowing AMD to keep its low-cost story intact?
Without a crystal ball, it's impossible to answer these questions. In the meantime, AMD needs to capitalize on its low-cost CPU dominance as much as possible to get consumers into the AMD upgrade path.
its a bigger change than say the step from C0 to D0 with the 1366 I7's
Its not like im a normal AMD fanboy, i just dont like monopolistisk tendenses, so as a builder i do have to know when i can tell u get the best rig with AMD or do u have to go to Intel.
I still hope Toms and preferabel Cleave comes with a review when a cpu bottelneck 5850 and 5870 at best grapic settings. Hilbert shows us that the AThlon II 435 do bottelneck a 5870, but since 5850 is round 15% slower than 5870, even the athlII 435 at stock should be close to take advantage of a radeon 5850.
Intels R&d last yr was as big as AMDs total sale, take in account that thay also fight Nvidia, so then u maybe understand why AMD is not best. If AMD drops farther down, what are we nerds left with, the answear should be clear to anyone that can think, we are left with only Intel.
I do build riggs, guess round 100 over 18 yr, for friends and stuff, i do refuse to build Intel riggs, why ?, becouse of the marked situation, we lost cyris as a cpu vendor, if we loose AMD to, then my fellow nerds, we are in troubel. I do however never recomend an AMD built if Intel is clearly supperiour, therefor we builder need to know the limits. AS toms has stated in severual test, AMD is good at budget riggs, but how far up can an Athl II 435, an Phii 720 suppurt a grapfic card, well even the phii955 is dirt cheap here.
Still, that doesn't solve my issue as another potential builder: since AMD and Intel now make equally well performing CPU's (for gaming purposes, that is), is there a reason not to pick the cheaper AMD? Higher power consumption, or less well performing motherboards, or something along these lines?
Try harder next time.
for speculation , in apps/games that really use 4 cores (x264/gta4), it would not be up to phenom II X4's and even Phenom II X3's .
in apps/games that dont use more than two cores , it would take out every amd offering . although it would be "in line' upgrade for anyone with a core 2 duo , quads are getting more and more important . i also hope that the rumors of very high clock speeds/practical everyday use overclockability are true . lets all wait now !