AMD Navi 44 RDNA 4 GPU shows up in ROCm code — next-gen graphics cards can't be too far behind
AMD has apparently changed its codename nomenclature for RDNA 4.
AMD has added another RDNA 4 GPU die name to its ROCm software suite. Discovered by @Kepler_L2 on X (Twitter), the new Navi 44 die could be an entry-level GPU die in AMD's upcoming RX 8000-series lineup. Or it could be something else entirely, as AMD currently isn't saying much about its next-generation chips. Either way, these will eventually compete with the best graphics cards for gamers' dollars.
This is the second RDNA 4 GPU that AMD has added to the ROCm list for hardware enablement, the first being the Navi 48 die sporting the Gfx1201 moniker — Navi 44 boasts a Gfx1200 moniker. And that represents a bit of an oddity in naming conventions.
The presence of these GPUs in the ROCm support list at least suggests AMD is nearing completion of at least some of the upcoming RDNA 4 GPUs. But so far, the most interesting tidbit is the change in AMD's GPU die naming scheme. For the past several GPU generations, AMD has almost always produced new GPUs without skipping any numbers in the codename. For instants, RDNA 3 boasts three dies consisting of Navi 31, 32, and 33. Before that, RDNA 2 offered up Navi 21, 22, 23, and 24.
We have to go back to 2019's original RDNA with Navi 10 and Navi 14 to find a break in that pattern, but even then there are changes from established AMD GPU history. For example, Vega 10 and Vega 20 preceded the current RDNA families, with Polaris 10, 11, 12, 20, and 21 GPUs filling out the budget to midrange sector. So what's going on here?
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AMD appears to be skipping most of the normal "beginning" numbers, jumping straight to Navi 48 and now Navi 44 now. This is a completely new naming philosophy that makes educated guesses on GPU specs virtually impossible. There are rumblings that AMD will focus on mainstream graphics cards for RDNA 4, meaning we might not have a direct successor to the RX 7900 XTX and its Navi 31 GPU — at least not initially.
Numerically, Navi 44 may appears to be the successor to Navi 24, but that was an entry-level die in the RX 6000-series initially intended for laptops only. It was adapted for desktop GPUs in the form of the RX 6500 XT, RX 6400, RX 6300, and Pro W6300, but it lacked many of the features found in other RDNA 2 GPUs.
Because of this, we wouldn't expect AMD to follow the same path with Navi 44. At the very least, we'd expect Navi 44 to be more like a sequel to the current mainstream Navi 33 that powers the RX 7600 and RX 7600 XT. Except if that's correct, then what does Navi 48 bring to the table?
AMD's codenames appear to be changing, and that implies the RX 8000-series graphics cards could be a break from the pattern we've seen with the past two RDNA families — RX 6000- and RX 7000-series GPUs. AMD is largely expected to ignore the high-end / extreme GPU segment with the RX 8000-series, instead opting to go with a GPU lineup resembling the RX 5000-series that only consisted of entry-level and midrange options.
That could make a lot of sense. AMD GPUs aren't exactly taking the world by storm of late, if the Steam Hardware Survey is any indication. AMD has hemorrhaged revenue from gaming sales as well, where it lost 48% of its revenue year over year. That's almost a billion dollars difference compared to Q1 of 2023. The biggest number of GPU sales for AMD currently come from integrated solutions, plus the PS5 and Xbox consoles. It's even feasible that Navi 44 and/or 48 could be codenames for an iGPU, though that's unlikely.
Regardless, with the company losing so much money in its gaming division, why bother building ultra-high-end GPUs? But that could be a mistake, as it simply leaves Nvidia uncontested in the high-end and above markets. Not to mention, there are rumors that Intel Battlemage will take a similar tactic and target mainstream gamers — which will almost certainly mean taking market share more from AMD than Nvidia.
Like other GPU companies, AMD is undoubtedly more concerned with increasing AI GPU sales for the time being. Those potentially make much more money, and there's a huge demand for anything AI-related. AMD's MI200 and MI300 CDNA families also power some major supercomputers, Frontier and the upcoming El Capitan, respectively. Will supercomputer and AI sales be enough to continue funding AI GPU development? That remains to be seen. Speaking of which, the ROCm patch notes also seem to have added a new MI300 variant dubbed MI300X1 ("gfx942"), though it's unclear how this chip differs from the existing MI300X.
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the ROCm patch notes also added support for a new MI300 variant called MI300X1 ("gfx942"), which could be the rumored MI375 with a change in codename as well.
Don't think so.
Actually, the AMD Instinct MI300X/A already has the "gfx942" ID. So I doubt the the rumored MI375 chip will also fall under the exact same ID.
Last year the following commits were added for GFX941 and GFX942, to the LLVM compiler. The architecture codename for MI300 is GFX942, a member of the Vega (GFX9) family.
https://github.com/llvm/llvm-project/commit/1fc70210a6a585bad941f64bd3fca7909eeafdda
https://github.com/llvm/llvm-project/commit/9d0572797233857397f3fdc35fffcfb490354f56 -
JarredWaltonGPU
MI300X1 is a new addition, though, right? I'm not off my rocker there?Metal Messiah. said:Don't think so.
Actually, the AMD Instinct MI300X/A already has the "gfx942" ID. So I doubt the the rumored MI375 chip will also fall under the exact same ID.
Last year the following commits were added for GFX941 and GFX942, to the LLVM compiler. The architecture codename for MI300 is GFX942, a member of the Vega (GFX9) family.
https://github.com/llvm/llvm-project/commit/1fc70210a6a585bad941f64bd3fca7909eeafdda
https://github.com/llvm/llvm-project/commit/9d0572797233857397f3fdc35fffcfb490354f56 -
JarredWaltonGPU said:MI300X1 is a new addition, though, right?
No. It cannot be since the Instinct MI300X/A both already have the "gfx942/941" as the LLVM target name. -
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My question was whether the line of code with “MI300X1” is new, at least for the ROCm stuff, though “gfx942” obviously existed elsewhere prior to now. I have not seen “MI300X1” before at least.Metal Messiah. said:No. It cannot be since the Instinct MI300X/A both already have the "gfx942/941" as the LLVM target name. -
NeoMorpheus Given how the media trashed the 7900XTX regardless of its merits and by consequence, the sheep ignored them, i dont blame them for not going that route.Reply
Lets see what the new ones will bring and of course, media will drill down on the still useless RT (lets be honest, there are literally a couple of games that justify the insane performance hit, the rest are just a waste of resources) so the reviewers will trash them also, regardless of what else they bring to the table. -
JarredWaltonGPU said:My question was whether the line of code with “MI300X1” is new, at least for the ROCm stuff, though “gfx942” obviously existed elsewhere prior to now. I have not seen “MI300X1” before at least.
Can't say with full surety whether it is a new line, but I think I have seen similar entries for few other products, in which there are two different versions/revisions being added with the 1 or an 'x' suffix in some cases. But I will show a proof with the patch link once I find one.
Assuming it is a new entry, not sure why the gfx192 ID was used though.
But in any case, we do know that AMD's MI375 is in the company's pipeline, so it might just be a matter of time more concrete info emerges. :)
https://www.barrons.com/articles/amd-stock-nvidia-ai-upgrade-5760ee3c
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NeoMorpheus said:Lets see what the new ones will bring and of course, media will drill down on the still useless RT (lets be honest, there are literally a couple of games that justify the insane performance hit, the rest are just a waste of resources) so the reviewers will trash them also, regardless of what else they bring to the table.
Couldn't agree more ! I guess we should hold Nvidia accountable for over-hyping this whole RT stuff and making it vendor locked on its latest RTX hardware, instead of fully going open source. In pure rasterized performance AMD's cards still offer more bang for the buck, IMO.
But hey, everyone wanted to jump on the RT bandwagon, and get some extra "fake" frames via DLSS too as well (required for some RT games, if not all)! So it's also a sort of "psychological" impact this has had on gamers lately.
But, Ray traced scenes DO look good in some games, but that doesn't justify the performance hit it comes with (depends on the RT effect used, and game's engine though).
Also, I'm not sure how many gamers do actually pay THAT much close attention to RT/Path traced reflections, lighting, shadows and stuff like that while gaming.
I mean we need to first focus on the environment rather than on the gameplay itself to admire any graphical/visual difference RT provides. Very fast-paced games/shooters could make this even harder to notice.
The media and sheep will still trash these new entries, assuming AMD is not even trying to capture the high-end GPU market and these are just upper mainstream cards. -
NeoMorpheus
I hate that company with a passion, but in this particular case, i dont blame them.Metal Messiah. said:I guess we should hold Nvidia accountable for over-hyping this whole RT stuff
I blame the current crop of so called reviewers (in my book, their real title is influencers), whom blindly followed the marketing team and pushed the stupid RT narrative.
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Well, on some update, it appears that AMD has already started shipping early reference boards and early NAVI 48 GPU samples to its engineering labs.Reply
This can be confirmed in the latest shipping log from nbd.ltd where several new GPU PCBs can be spotted.
A new Navi 48 XTX GPU can be seen here, mentioned as "REVB-PRE", which could be a reference evaluation platform board, and the card appears to be using the A0 silicon.
Samsung has also been also mentioned in this manifest. The PCB being used by the Navi 48 XTX GPU has the ID:102-G28201.
The production date says, "Q2 2024", so the board appears to be recent/new.
A total of Four PCBs most likely for the AMD RDNA 4 GPU family are being considered:
102-G28211
102-G28501
102-G28201 -----> Navi 48 XTX GPU.
102-C48701
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BTW, regarding Samsung being mentioned along with the production date, hints AMD might be using the process node technology from Samsung for these GPUs, most likely GDDR6/X memory as per rumors.Reply