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  • unixwizard
    I am not certain from the information in this article how the testing was conducted, but I have some serious concerns that the information given here doesn't paint a whole picture of real world effects.

    Lets take one example: Many articles on air and water coolers note that airflow over VRMs and other MB components could be significantly different, yet I never see readings of MB temps, VRM temps, or anything other than CPU. How much of an effect is it? Show the data.

    Likewise, as you mention in text, a cooler like this could perform best when it can vent air directly out the side of a case. You lack any data showing this however. As far as I can tell, the usual rigor for testing isn't applied to coolers.

    In my opinion you should test coolers in a handful of configurations. Maybe pick some of the most popular cases or best performing cases in a handful of configurations and use these as a standard. An open test bench is the one configuration that you should never use, since it will never be similar to an actual usage scenario. Feel free to focus on only a few scenarios, like 'big high airflow case for overclocking to the max on air", and "balanced temp/noise performance in a mid-sized size vented case", and "space restricted case with little venting" or whatever, but once you pick the scenarios, please report more than just CPU temp and noise. Report VRM temps, chipset temp, RAM temp, and use a couple temp probes to measure exhaust temp out the side/back, etc. Better yet, show some thermal images of the cooler/MB in operation if you can. Also, make sure you let the case/system 'heat soak' under load so we know how it works under sustained load rather than just a quick heat pulse.

    Do this for a few coolers of differing type and see if the picture changes or more is revealed with this method. If it isn't then at least you'll have data to say that more detailed reporting doesn't create a different picture, but I have a suspicion that differing coolers will change positions considerably in the various scenarios, revealing strengths and weaknesses that matter to people looking to buy them for the specific scenario tested.

    As an example, I own a Lian-Li V2000B and a Rosewill Throne, both large cases but very different in scenario. The V2000B is a sealed through-flow case with no side vent and the Throne is side/top vent with little airflow out the back. The cooler in this article might work wonders in the Throne, perhaps even better than the other coolers, and be terrible in the V2000B.

    Just my 2 cents, but I don't feel I get enough out of these cooler articles to make a good purchase decision.
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  • Crashman
    16949552 said:
    I am not certain from the information in this article how the testing was conducted,
    In a complete machine. It appears the site removed this information, so here's an earlier article that contains it:
    http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/deepcool-gamer-storm-captain-240-liquid-cpu-cooler,4158.html
    16949552 said:
    but I have some serious concerns that the information given here doesn't paint a whole picture of real world effects.
    Do tell!
    16949552 said:
    Lets take one example: Many articles on air and water coolers note that airflow over VRMs and other MB components could be significantly different, yet I never see readings of MB temps, VRM temps, or anything other than CPU. How much of an effect is it?
    This review discusses the same issues. Perhaps you didn't read the text? It also charts the voltage regulator temperature. Perhaps you didn't read the chart legend?

    PWM means Pulse Width Modulator, which is a far-more-accurate name than "Voltage Resistor Module". This measurement is shown in the chart and discussed below the chart.
    16949552 said:
    Show the data.
    We did. Sorry you missed it.
    16949552 said:
    Likewise, as you mention in text, a cooler like this could perform best when it can vent air directly out the side of a case. You lack any data showing this however.
    Thats because we haven't found a specific case to fit every specific cooler. The generic statement about a downflow fan working best when it can draw air through the side panel comes from prior experience with cases designed specifically for that purpose, but cases aren't designed that way any longer. It's mention as a suggestion to people able to find such a case, or modify it appropriately
    16949552 said:
    As far as I can tell, the usual rigor for testing isn't applied to coolers.
    Cooler tests take less time than motherboard tests, but is that really a problem? We've attempted to create the "most generic" airflow configuration for the case and even tested the cooler at max/min CPU fan setting to show its operating range.
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  • photonboy
    My beef:

    I always find reviews for CPU coolers difficult to decipher. Different fan speeds, noise, cooling arrrggh.

    *What I personally want is a simple chart showing cooling performance at say a total 35dB for the system or whatever.

    Go ahead and include whatever charts you want, but I'm about cooling-to-noise ratio and that needs to be easy to find.
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  • Crashman
    16950852 said:
    My beef:

    I always find reviews for CPU coolers difficult to decipher. Different fan speeds, noise, cooling arrrggh.

    *What I personally want is a simple chart showing cooling performance at say a total 35dB for the system or whatever.

    Go ahead and include whatever charts you want, but I'm about cooling-to-noise ratio and that needs to be easy to find.
    I know it's not the easiest thing to decipher, but the cooling-to-noise chart is in there.
    It shows how much better or worse each cooler's result was compared to the average of all tests.
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  • AndrewJacksonZA
    Thanks for the review Crash.
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  • Crashman
    16957072 said:
    Thanks for the review Crash.
    You're welcome!

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  • milkod2001
    Nice review. Looks like Noctua is still the way to go.

    On the side note: Could you guys do tests of some PCspeakers. Im looking for replacement of my Logitech Z 2300. Im looking for something what could match it price/performance wise. Would anyone had some recommendations?

    Thanks
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  • firefoxx04
    Overpriced. I dont care if it is smaller than the D15 and Phanteks dual 140mm cooler.., its not worth that much more.
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  • firedust
    You mentioned that the review includes voltage regulator temperature. I must be blind because I can't find it anywhere. Is it the first graph?
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  • Crashman
    16959459 said:
    You mentioned that the review includes voltage regulator temperature. I must be blind because I can't find it anywhere. Is it the first graph?
    Yep, PWM is Pulse Width Modulator as described where you saw me say it above.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWZYS4-09wo
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