Microsoft: x86 Apps Will Run On ARM Chips At Near-Native Performance

Windows 10 on ARM architecture

Earlier this year, Qualcomm announced that its next-generation chips will be the first to fully support Windows 10, including all the programs built for the x86 architecture. In a recent video, Microsoft demonstrated how both x86 and Universal Windows Platform (UWP) apps would run on ARM chips. It also talked about the underlying technology enabling x86 apps to run on ARM chips with near-native performance.

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  • derekullo
    Why not just install on an actual x86 chip instead of emulating it?

    I would assume anyone using photoshop can afford to buy an x86 pc.

    https://www.adslzone.net/app/uploads/2017/01/snapdragon-835-vs-intel-i7-7700k-geekbench.jpg

    Shows an i5-6600k is about twice as fast as a Snapdragon 835 on Geekbench.

    Near native performance could mean anything from a 1-10% penalty.

    It's nice that it is being offered but the majority of people already have an x86 computer capable of running Photoshop and other apps.

    They would have to:
    1. Choose to buy a computer with a Snapdragon 835.
    2. Accept 1/2 of the performance of an i5 or 1/3 the performance of an i7 as acceptable.


    It reminds me of a story I read a few weeks ago about prisoners assembling a makeshift computer from spare parts they found and hacking the prison's wifi/computers with kali.

    I guess now if they could only get their hands on an arm processor they could install windows and play wow from prison.

    Priorities lol.
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  • mr0000000000
    @DEREKULLO - you have to acknowledge the price difference as well as the difference in cooling needed between a 6600K and a Snapdragon 835. This allows for a LOT of flexibility in form factor while also being offered at better prices.
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  • bloodroses
    @derekullo
    Well, Microsoft did try using an actual x86 chip with the Atom CPUs on the phone and tablet market. Outside the Surface Pro, they've failed miserably.

    What I'm seeing here with what they're doing is less about getting ARM on desktop than it is Windows on smart gadgets such as phones and tablets. Microsoft knows they've been getting cannibalized in those markets, so they're doing what they can to adapt to change.

    With that said, I did find the title quite misleading as no ARM chip can currently run against anything outside low end x86 chips; native speeds or not. Basically, don't expect games like Battlefield 1 on an ARM CPU anytime soon.
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  • extremepenguin
    Fingers crossed for an iPad like device that can run my Moms card making software and Facebook games with support for her printer and scanner for under $500 because that is basically exactly what she wants and will get her off my case.
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  • TechyInAZ
    19681596 said:
    Why not just install on an actual x86 chip instead of emulating it?

    I would assume anyone using photoshop can afford to buy an x86 pc.

    https://www.adslzone.net/app/uploads/2017/01/snapdragon-835-vs-intel-i7-7700k-geekbench.jpg

    Shows an i5-6600k is about twice as fast as a Snapdragon 835 on Geekbench.

    Near native performance could mean anything from a 1-10% penalty.

    It's nice that it is being offered but the majority of people already have an x86 computer capable of running Photoshop and other apps.

    They would have to:
    1. Choose to buy a computer with a Snapdragon 835.
    2. Accept 1/2 of the performance of an i5 or 1/3 the performance of an i7 as acceptable.


    It reminds me of a story I read a few weeks ago about prisoners assembling a makeshift computer from spare parts they found and hacking the prison's wifi/computers with kali.

    I guess now if they could only get their hands on an arm processor they could install windows and play wow from prison.

    Priorities lol.

    Your comparing apples to oranges, a snapdragon is going to be for the lower end market, not high end desktop CPUs.

    This is awesome either way. FINALLY we can get rid of x86 once and for all and move to ARM entirely, something we should be doing already in my opinion.
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  • Jake Hall
    Yeah, no thanks. Sorry Freak777, meant to vote you up
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  • zodiacfml
    Thanks for the Geekbench link. I couldn't believe that Intel has lagged that much and allow ARM based SoC's to catch up. I knew it is their mistake to wait for AMD. Intel's lead should be far from what they are now if they continued with the tick-tock cadence
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  • derekullo
    19681716 said:
    @DEREKULLO - you have to acknowledge the price difference as well as the difference in cooling needed between a 6600K and a Snapdragon 835. This allows for a LOT of flexibility in form factor while also being offered at better prices.

    19681731 said:
    @derekullo
    Well, Microsoft did try using an actual x86 chip with the Atom CPUs on the phone and tablet market. Outside the Surface Pro, they've failed miserably.

    What I'm seeing here with what they're doing is less about getting ARM on desktop than it is Windows on smart gadgets such as phones and tablets. Microsoft knows they've been getting cannibalized in those markets, so they're doing what they can to adapt to change.

    With that said, I did find the title quite misleading as no ARM chip can currently run against anything outside low end x86 chips; native speeds or not. Basically, don't expect games like Battlefield 1 on an ARM CPU anytime soon.

    ARM could be cheap, ARM could even be free but for a single $200 difference in price your Photoshop and handbrake renders are rendered twice as fast. (Intel Core i5-7500)

    Edit: Forgot about Ryzen 5 1600 even higher performance than the i5 at the same price point $200.

    Why run a high powered application on basically a high end netbook cpu.

    (Besides just to say you can.)

    Had they mentioned running word, excel, checking email, Super Nintendo emulators ... I would not have taken issue.

    More options are good but not every new option is a good option just because it is new.

    You could raise the point of ARM is more efficient and it is.

    But if I'm rendering something in Handbrake or Photoshop I don't really care about frames rendered per watt especially if it's for a job with a time constraint.

    I'm not waiting 3 times as long to render it on ARM just to save a few watts when I could just use an i7 and move on to other work or play.

    Of course you could use ARM in a laptop to render photoshop / handbrake on the go, but at that point i would still rather an i7 to render quicker and just plug into an outlet when needed.

    ARM does have it's place in netbooks and extremely light gaming.

    It would do well with a Geforce 1050 at 720p in most games.
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  • HarisHashim
    @DEREKULLO

    This is more for the case of, I didnt / forgot to bring my big machine but I have to execute some x86 binaries.

    I hope in longterm we will have x86 binary execution in other OS such as Android too!
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