Nvidia's naming scheme is so bass ackwards.

275>295?
watch as people say they don't want a 275 because the 295 is better.

I agree. I bet the 4890 is going to be stronger then the 275, not being a fanboy here, im planning to get a GTX 260 SSC, but if the 4890 comes out in time im going to get it, or the GTX 275, whichever is better.

I think they mean it looks like the same gpu used in the GTX295, not that it is the same card. They later say that it is a single gpu, dual slot card. Thus, it seams to be half of a GTX295, making it more powerful than the GTX260 216, but weaker than the GTX285. How it stacks against the the GTX280 would be hard to tell, as the GTX280 would have the same amount of shading power, but a lower clock with a better memory interface. My guess, seeing as the memory interface isn't significantly different (448 versus 512), would be it would outperform the GTX280 by just a hair. However, if someone were to finally get GDDR5 running on an nVidia card, who knows what the results would be?

Isn't the 295 a dual GPU and the 275 a single GPU? I think that is the difference. The 295 will perform better. I think you are confusing the 295 with 285. Sounds like the 275>285

It is all really specualation right now anyway. I love GPU wars lol

BTW Im running a 8800GTX still runs great no need to upgrade yet.

I hate that both companies have 349 cards each, all within 10% performance of one another… Like let’s put some of this cash into making better cards already instead having 13 price lvl’s.

Example:
ATI has a 4870x2, 4870, 4850… good enough already! Ati should crush the 4870x2 and then the 4870 will be the “low” end as they can discontinue the 4850. We just don’t need 23423423424 cards from one company.
(Perhaps 4 price lvl’s is ideal??)

It's because your still 2 gens in give it for the next gen of cards to surface then it might be worth to upgrade.

Well if nvidia is smart 260

?? wth the rest of my comment is gone lol well it's priced between a 260 and 285 so if performance falls between that it's all coo

I bought that card the day it came out for WAY to much cash. It is a legendary card in my mind, king of the hill for almost two years, and still a pretty decent mid-range card.

I can't stand to watch Nvidia release more and more renamed or reclocked cards. They're doing it to give themselves time with the GT300 series I'm sure.

The real question is - is it a good business move? You nudge the performance up a little bit and give it a new name, so people spend money on that - and possibly don't have enough by the time the next series releases.

And adding to my comment up top, its going to come down to pure Price/Performance.

When they make the gpus and some dont run at the clocks they want (for example) they can lower the clocks and sell it as a weaker GPU (eg 4830 = 4850 = 4870), same as RPL's etc - chips are binned in ranks etc

I think the 275 is just going to be a slightly lower clocked 285 with a 448bit interface like the 260. If it comes too close to the performance of the 285 then nVidia risks cannibalizing 285 sales, not that they are exactly spectacular right now as it is.

Agreed. I tend to go with AMD, because lately they seem to be superior in that department. The 4890 will more than likely be my card of choice, unless something terrible with the new card happens. *cough 3800 series* if that's the case, i will just crossfire my 4850 and call it good for a while.

I am fully aware of this. I still do not see why there would ever be a need to have so many different price levels.

Anything more than four or five cards from a single company is not doing the consumer any justice. Sure you and I walk into the local computer store and can rank the cards by name, but how many people can actually do this? 5%, if lucky!

Nvidia and ATI are not only using different “binned” cards, they are literally changing the clocks, up or down a couple %, slapping a new name on them and in some cases simply just renaming and filling the shelves with more of the same product. I cannot understand how the consumer gains from this.

I think “JOE BLOW” should be able to walk in the local computer store and make a choice between five cards from ATI, low-high and five from Nvidia… there is no reason why a person should have to b hardware expert to make a proper decision.

So is this going to boil down to a 4890 vs. GTX 275?

From what nVidia's naming scheme suggests, I think it would be 4890 vs. GTX 285. But it would be odd if the 275 is stronger than 285..

i am really hoping that they both release at the same time and the 4890 comes on top for more affordable prices ( gtx 285 price cut any1 ? ).

Hey, here's an idea for (yet another) naming scheme, Nvidia USD $75, $100, $150 and so on. Not only would it properly identify relative performance, but it would also automatically satisfy Nvidia's penchant for constantly renaming their parts

I'm pretty sure GTX 275

I don't get it.
More cards = more choice
If you don't like choice or are too confused then buy a dell xps or something and let someone make the choices for you.
These are the same people who fuss over cpu steppings and obscure bios settings, yet can't handle more gpus.
295>285>275>260>250
what's so hard about that?

I get so confused with Nvidia's GPU naming. They need to just start over when they release the 40nm cards.

nVidia asked AMD how they should name chips.

@ anonymous: The article was phrased weirdly, it's one of the single gpus in a GTX 295, with slightly higher clocks. From the article, it sounds like it is more powerful.

RiotSniper, your an idiot. The 295 is twice as fast as the 275 lol.

The 295 is better moron. Its nearly twice as fast. Duh!

Oh nVidia. What are we going to do with you? Why do you constantly try to confuse people?

Single GPU Cards: GTX 250, GTX 260, GTX 280, GTX 275, GTX 285

Double GPU Cards: GTX 295

Seriously they can't even keep up with their own naming scheme. You'd think the cards ending with "0" would be single GPUs, and the ones ending with "5" would be double GPU. But no, that's only the case with the GTX 295.

Though I usually buy nVidia cards, I have to give it to AMD here. At least their cards (such as 4870X2) make it obvious when there are dual GPUs on board.

I think you're being a bit harsh on Dreasconse. Honestly after reading the article the first time through, I too got the confounded impression that the GTX 275 would be faster than the GTX 295. It wasn't made very clear in the article that the GTX 295 was dual GPU, where as the GTX 275 was only a single core. The article should have been written more clearly on this point.

Plus, nVidia's own confusing naming scheme makes one wonder if the GTX 275 is dual-GPU or not. Their marketing team is the one deserving of your "moron" statement.

so basically it's the same thing, just pulling more watts at a higher voltage...

so they are overclocking for you.

It used to be so simple:
Geforce 1
Geforce 2
Geforce 3
...
"I have a geforce 4 ultra in my computer. -I have a gf4 mx..." by then the discussion was over between two fanatics. Both parties knew exactly what card it was, and who had the better one.

On the other hand: people who read thg usually *know* about
the hardware before they buy it, in the end, it all comes down
to the fps they get.

lol nvidia... needs a better naming scheme