An alleged AMD PowerPoint slide (via @momomo_us) and CompSource, a U.S.-based retailer, is showing off alleged price points for the newly announced AMD Ryzen 4000-series (codename Renoir) desktop APUs. Although the slide looks genuine, we should approach the information with caution, as the source of the slide is questionable.
It's funny how bad news often accompanies good news. PC builders and AMD fans have been waiting for AMD to unveil Renoir for the desktop for weeks. But sadly for enthusiasts, AMD revealed ist Zen 2 APUs as OEM-only. AMD has pledged to bring other APUs for DIY users at a later, unspecified date. So, technically, you can't just go to your favorite computer hardware store or online retailer to pick up a Ryzen 4000-series APU. But like with other OEM-exclusive chips, there are likely other ways to secure one if you think outside the box.
The table from the leaked slide pictured above seemingly shows suggested pricing for the Ryzen 4000-series APUs, so final pricing would likely vary. The the G and GE-series reportedly share identical MSRPs. As a quick recap, the first has a 65W TDP (thermal design power), while the latter runs within a 35W envelope. Therefore, the GE variants come with lower clock speeds compared to their G-series counterparts. In a scenario where cooling and power aren't deciding factors, the G-series is a better pick, since it delivers better performance at the same price.
AMD Ryzen 4000-Series Pricing
|Alleged AMD Slide
|Ryzen 7 Pro 4750G with Wraith Stealth
|Ryzen 7 Pro 4750G
|Ryzen 7 Pro 4750GE
|Ryzen 5 Pro 4650G with Wraith Stealth
|Ryzen 5 Pro 4650G
|Ryzen 5 Pro 4650GE
|Ryzen 3 Pro 4350G with Wraith Stealth
|Ryzen 3 Pro 4350G
|Ryzen 3 Pro 4350GE
CompSource lists the G-series parts with and without the Wraith Stealth CPU cooler. It's not weird for the APUs to come without a cooler, since they're aimed at OEMs that are likely to use their own proprietary or an aftermarket cooler with the chips. As per CompSource's listings, the price difference between including and not including the cooler is less than $2.
According to the slide, the purported MSRPs for the Ryzen 7 Pro 4750G, Ryzen 5 Pro 4650G and Ryzen 3 Pro 4350G are $309, $209 and $149, respectively. CompSource's prices are up to 18% higher.
When looking closely at AMD's current product stack, it's evident that the Ryzen 4000-series CPUs' specifications and MSRP are very close to their Ryzen 3000-series (codename Matisse) equivalent. Besides the fact that the OEM market is larger than the DIY market, according to AMD, we also suspect that AMD didn't bring desktop Renoir to the market, due to the fear of cannibalization within its own ranks. If we focus on the clock speeds, the Zen 2 APUs are only a hair behind the mainstream chips. With some overclocking, Renoir could easily surpass Matisse in gaming. That's not to mention that Renoir is cheaper -- that is, if we go by the MSRP values in the table -- since the Ryzen 3000-series chips are selling for a lot lower than their debut price.
It feels like a bad dream that Zen 2 APUs have finally landed, but are out of reach for budget DIY lovers. Once again, we're back to the waiting game and hope AMD unleashes the next wave of APUs to the general public sooner rather than later.
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How many "DIY lovers" go to APUs as their first pick for anything beyond HTPC and maybe home server? The primary market for these things are AiOs and off-the-shelf PCs, so it makes sense that AMD would prioritize shipments to OEMs at a time where its wafer contracts are likely being stretched thin between the tightly packed PS5, Xbox, Big Navi and Zen 3 launches.Reply
"DIY lovers" don't care about APUs. We're just waiting for Zen3 Vermeer CPU.Reply
daworstplaya said:"DIY lovers" don't care about APUs. We're just waiting for Zen3 Vermeer CPU.
Speak for yourself. These APU's would make great high end routers for pfSense/VyOS/Untagled/etc. I was waiting for launch, but I guess it'll take place when we see the A520 chipset boards released?
In other words, kinds of "home server" though I bet 99% of people simply use off-the-shelf, ISP-provided or built-in-modem routers instead of DIY ones.Pat Flynn said:Speak for yourself. These APU's would make great high end routers for pfSense/VyOS/Untagled/etc.
I Want to know when AMD will launch R3 4300G, R5 4600G, R7 4700G and Athlon Lineup for DIY consumers? 400-chipsets boards compatibleReply
Not all DIYers are gamers. Some of us just want a speedy computer capable of displaying 4k for web and mobile development. I've been holding off buying a 3700X since the 4700G would save me $170 off a "budget" GPU. I can't find any GPUs under $100 with a full height fan (no loud fans!) capable of 4k resolution. Plus integrated graphics makes DIY so much better - how many times have you wasted hours troubleshooting and swapping out components just to find out the GPU wasn't seated correctly or the PCI slot was bad, etc? The only reason I was still favoring Intel over AMD up until a year or 2 ago for my new build to replace my outdated build was that the 8700K (then 9700K, 10700K) had integrated graphics and while a bundled CPU cooler is worth $50, I'd wager integrated graphics is worth a lot more than that looking any GPU worth buying.Reply
Yes, but the fact is, people who want these are in the minority. The ultra-tiny minority.GeekyOne said:Not all DIYers are gamers. Some of us just want a speedy computer capable of displaying 4k for web and mobile development. I've been holding off buying a 3700X since the 4700G would save me $170 off a "budget" GPU. I can't find any GPUs under $100 with a full height fan (no loud fans!) capable of 4k resolution. Plus integrated graphics makes DIY so much better - how many times have you wasted hours troubleshooting and swapping out components just to find out the GPU wasn't seated correctly or the PCI slot was bad, etc? The only reason I was still favoring Intel over AMD up until a year or 2 ago for my new build to replace my outdated build was that the 8700K (then 9700K, 10700K) had integrated graphics and while a bundled CPU cooler is worth $50, I'd wager integrated graphics is worth a lot more than that looking any GPU worth buying.
The "ultra-tiny" minority that is probably 90% of the corporate space outside server rooms and likely accounts for 70+% of non-server sales overall.Shadowclash10 said:Yes, but the fact is, people who want these are in the minority. The ultra-tiny minority.
I can confirm that Renoir chips are still high demand on the mobile side. Luckily I managed to score a few hundred units for my education customers in June but after that it's been very sparse. From the HP supply chain team:Reply
"In this case, we do not have a date because the order are actually on hold (not released to the factory). The reason behind this, is that we have very limited supply for Renoir CPU, and only test orders with executive approval are being released for small quantities. Please let me know if you have further questions."