A second look at Arctic’s Liquid Freezer III using our updated cooler testing methodology

Arctic Liquid Freezer III
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Veering away from our normal coverage of coolers, today we’re taking a fresh look at the subject of benchmarking. Since I started reviewing coolers for Tom’s Hardware, I've often thought of how to make my reviews better and show results that users can relate to their real-world usage. 

Beginning with my initial review of Arctic’s Liquid Freezer III, I’ve been placing a stronger emphasis on testing methodology and what I feel are poor testing methods, because I feel that the bar for cooler reviews on the market is rather low. 

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Albert Thomas
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Albert Thomas is a contributor for Tom’s Hardware, primarily covering CPU cooling reviews.

  • Cameron R
    Maybe run spell check before you post? What the heck?
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  • rluker5
    I like the controlled, documented, close to real world testing addition of including the GPU use in a closed case.
    That's the typical heavy use case for my CPU coolers - gaming in a closed case. Adding the real world variables of case interior cooling while a large heat generator is cooking inside of it could add significant inaccuracy if a bunch of standardization is not implemented. That difficulty could be why we don't see much realistic cooler testing like this.

    Part of the documentation could also be a pic of that pretty test setup with the fans not spinning. It provides some good information like case fan choice layout and airflow, and that the AIO is acting as an exhaust. That picture is worth a lot of words. The setup is very clean and well laid out, but also looks very mainstream.

    All good choices for approximating user cooler performance.
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  • icelancersr
    Yup, those are the numbers that I am seeing in my gaming sessions with arc3. Spot on
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  • RubberMallet
    This 360 AIO is topping out at 257W cooled before thermal throttling.

    The LFIII 420 AIO that I own, when pulling 260W average (no throttling) in CB R23, tops at 75C at similar ambient. If I increased the multipliers and allowed it to thermal throttle, it would be north of 300W.

    I have a hard time believing that the 360 is so much less effective. I and others were hyper critical of previous review testing, and I still feel like Albert Thomas isn't the guy who should be testing coolers based on his defense of the previous test method.

    That article was the reason I stopped reading TH and this article will not change my opinion.

    This review is really just an indirect advertizement for the Tryx Panorama, which no one previously has heard of.
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  • Albert.Thomas
    RubberMallet said:
    The LFIII 420 AIO that I own, when pulling 260W average (no throttling) in CB R23, tops at 75C at similar ambient. If I increased the multipliers and allowed it to thermal throttle, it would be north of 300W.
    Unless you're using the same conditions I am, results are not going to precisely the same. Are you using a similar style case, with similar style fans, set to the same fan speeds, with the same motherboard, and with otherwise "out of the box" settings? Do you also have a comparable relative humidity? And are you using the same CPU?

    RubberMallet said:
    That article was the reason I stopped reading TH and this article will not change my opinion.

    This review is really just an indirect advertizement for the Tryx Panorama, which no one previously has heard of.
    I'm sorry that you feel that way.

    This article is simply an explanation of the new testing methodology I've adapted.

    "No one" has heard of the Tryx Panorama because it was just announced at Computex, but Steve from Gamer's Nexus took a look at it, see here:

    Td0XORmSJp8View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Td0XORmSJp8

    While I find the Tryx Panorama extremely interesting due to its one of the kind display, it isn't a cooler I'd personally use for reasons I'll explain in the upcoming review which will include comparisons with other coolers that are also able to pass my maximum strength tests without throttling.
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  • MagicSwordKing
    Okay, this article made me hopeful and then I read it and utterly lost faith in Tom's Hardware for cooler reviews.

    First, there's a lot of honestly irrelevant posturing about how your benchmarking methodology is better than unstated competitors. If you're gonna bring up bad methodology, you need to make sure your methodology is actually as solid as you think it is. There is still one, massive, inexplicable omission that tells me all I need to know about this: you don't test coolers on both AMD and Intel systems.

    They have different thermal properties, they have different mounting mechanisms, and different behavior under load. What's more, it's especially indefensible in the case of a cooler such as the Liquid Freezer 3 which offers bespoke mounting hardware for offset mounting on AMD platforms in addition to the contact frame for Intel. Every single credible review of these coolers have noted the poor relative performance of the Contact Frame which has some engineering flaws that keep the cooler from reaching the same sort of performance that it can with AMD hardware.

    If you want to review coolers for CPUs, the one thing you absolutely must do is test for both major CPU variations to provide some semblance of a complete picture. This review is still worthless for a solid percentage of the buying public, in fact, it's actively misleading.
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  • Albert.Thomas
    MagicSwordKing said:
    There is still one, massive, inexplicable omission that tells me all I need to know about this: you don't test coolers on both AMD and Intel systems.
    In the past I used to test CPU coolers on both AMD's Ryzen 7700X and Intel's i7-13700K, but in general most coolers performed similarly well or poorly on both systems. For example, my Phantom Spirit 120 Review featured both CPUs:

    https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/thermalright-phantom-spirit-120-review
    I do plan on testing coolers on Ryzen 7700X again in the near future, but I'll be using it for testing in a SFF setup - I'm leaning toward's Cooler Master's NR200.
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  • MagicSwordKing
    Albert.Thomas said:
    In the past I used to test CPU coolers on both AMD's Ryzen 7700X and Intel's i7-13700K, but in general most coolers performed similarly well or poorly on both systems. For example, my Phantom Spirit 120 Review featured both CPUs:

    https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/thermalright-phantom-spirit-120-review
    I do plan on testing coolers on Ryzen 7700X again in the near future, but I'll be using it for testing in a SFF setup - I'm leaning toward's Cooler Master's NR200.
    You still don't get it, you need to test on both platforms for ALL coolers, precisely because while there are not OFTEN differences, there sometimes are rather dramatic ones as is the case for the Liquid Freezer 3. Seriously, go look up any other reviewer's take on the Liquid Freezer 3 where they test it on AMD. It changes the calculus. This matters. This is not a corner you can cut, and you are cutting it. Pointing out the corners OTHERS cut does no one any good when you yourself are cutting one of the most significant ones you can.

    Reviews of things like this aren't jazz, it's not all about the notes you don't play, you can't just skip doing the bits of the job you don't feel like doing for whatever reason. You need a representative sample which means evaluating their performance on AMD and Intel. If for whatever reason you cannot do this you can't pretend like your reviews have robust testing methodology.
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  • User of Computers
    MagicSwordKing said:
    You still don't get it, you need to test on both platforms for ALL coolers, precisely because while there are not OFTEN differences, there sometimes are rather dramatic ones as is the case for the Liquid Freezer 3. Seriously, go look up any other reviewer's take on the Liquid Freezer 3 where they test it on AMD. It changes the calculus. This matters. This is not a corner you can cut, and you are cutting it. Pointing out the corners OTHERS cut does no one any good when you yourself are cutting one of the most significant ones you can.

    Reviews of things like this aren't jazz, it's not all about the notes you don't play, you can't just skip doing the bits of the job you don't feel like doing for whatever reason. You need a representative sample which means evaluating their performance on AMD and Intel. If for whatever reason you cannot do this you can't pretend like your reviews have robust testing methodology.
    If you think you can do it better, then do it yourself.
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  • Albert.Thomas
    MagicSwordKing said:
    You still don't get it, you need to test on both platforms for ALL coolers, precisely because while there are not OFTEN differences, there sometimes are rather dramatic ones as is the case for the Liquid Freezer 3. Seriously, go look up any other reviewer's take on the Liquid Freezer 3 where they test it on AMD.
    If that's true, I should be able to observe it when I test the 240 or 280mm LF3 on the SFF system I'm building.
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