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System Builder Marathon, Q1 2013: $1,000 Performance PC
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Something appears horribly wrong with our current build in Sandra’s Arithmetic module, but editor-in-chief Chris Angelini explains that the benchmark gets a big boost from the previous build’s Hyper-Threading capability.

Sandra attempts to capture theoretical performance, rather than real-world differences. I never would have imagined, though, that a few extra registers in a CPU core could make such a huge difference, even in a synthetic.

Sandra's Cryptography sub-test doesn't benefit from Hyper-Threading. Instead, it's bottlenecked by our memory subsystem, which feeds data as fast as it can to both AES-NI-equipped processors.

Our new build’s memory provides similar overclocking capability to its predecessor, but with slightly tighter timings that give it a small advantage in Sandra's Memory Bandwidth benchmark.

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    samuelohagan , February 28, 2013 3:13 AM
    Isn't this basically the same thing as the $800 pc but with an ssd?
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    samuelohagan , February 28, 2013 3:23 AM
    I think they should have compared the benchmarks with Q4 $1000 pc.
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    Crashman , February 28, 2013 9:41 AM
    stoogiepoor build, psu too crap, no storage. a expensive version of a 7870 for no reason at all < waste of money
    And my boss wonders why I hurl insults at people who comment without actually reading the article.

    Now instead of insults I can tell people "Don't be a stoogie". Thanks!
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    samuelohagan , February 28, 2013 3:13 AM
    Isn't this basically the same thing as the $800 pc but with an ssd?
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    iknowhowtofixit , February 28, 2013 3:19 AM
    Pretty much. Not really a fan of any of the parts other than the CPU and GPU...
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    mayankleoboy1 , February 28, 2013 3:20 AM
    The only thing i could have tried to change in this build was to get a 64GB SSD , get a 500GB HDD , and if i have any money left, try to get a HD7950.
    Otherwise, not much wriggle room here. Nice build!
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    Chairman Ray , February 28, 2013 3:20 AM
    I'm not sure if having an SSD without an HDD is an attractive option for most people. 240GB goes by pretty fast.
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    samuelohagan , February 28, 2013 3:23 AM
    I think they should have compared the benchmarks with Q4 $1000 pc.
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    lightofhonor , February 28, 2013 3:31 AM
    It actually plays Skyrim WORSE than the $800 build...
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    dscudella , February 28, 2013 3:32 AM
    It's the same PC as the $800 build except they just swapped out the HDD for an SSD. Dissappointing.
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    Anonymous , February 28, 2013 3:40 AM
    where do you order your PC parts?
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    Crashman , February 28, 2013 3:41 AM
    mayankleoboy1The only thing i could have tried to change in this build was to get a 64GB SSD , get a 500GB HDD , and if i have any money left, try to get a HD7950.Otherwise, not much wriggle room here. Nice build!
    No point, We Like Our Games To Load Fast!!!
    Chairman RayI'm not sure if having an SSD without an HDD is an attractive option for most people. 240GB goes by pretty fast.
    Programs can eat most of a 240GB drive up. In fact, I just shrunk a copy of the test suite, with OS and games, to 132 GB.

    Using the drive performance measurement to reflect program load times means loading all the programs on the SSD. And that explains why SSD capacity wasn't sacrificed to make more room in the budget for an HDD.
    lightofhonorIt actually plays Skyrim WORSE than the $800 build...
    Nobody knows why, but the $800 PC did use a newer GPU driver.
    dscudellaIt's the same PC as the $800 build except they just swapped out the HDD for an SSD. Dissappointing.
    So it's going to lose the Day 4 Value Roundup, right?
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    mayankleoboy1 , February 28, 2013 3:41 AM
    dscudellaIt's the same PC as the $800 build except they just swapped out the HDD for an SSD. Dissappointing.


    Looking from another perspective, these two builds, with two different builders, with $200 difference, just show(again) how much better price/performance wise are Intel CPU's and AMD GPU's.
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    mayankleoboy1 , February 28, 2013 3:47 AM
    CrashmanNo point, We Like Our Games To Load Fast!!!


    I see your point, but I'd rather see slower game loads and better FPS , than faster game loads and lower FPS. And, the OS is accelerated in both cases anyway.
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    coonday , February 28, 2013 3:47 AM
    You guys must really want me to buy that 7870 Myst Edition. I'm actually hoping to see 2 of those cards in a crossfire configuration on the $2000 build.
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    Crashman , February 28, 2013 3:58 AM
    mayankleoboy1Looking from another perspective, these two builds, with two different builders, with $200 difference, just show(again) how much better price/performance wise are Intel CPU's and AMD GPU's.
    Builder 2 copied Builder 1's power supply. Builder 1 copied builder 2's RAM. Both were stuck with the same video card due to availability issues :) 
    mayankleoboy1I see your point, but I'd rather see slower game loads and better FPS , than faster game loads and lower FPS. And, the OS is accelerated in both cases anyway.
    Performance difference between Tahiti and Tahiti-LE is fairly small, right? But the price difference isn't small, is it? $1000 PC builder simply hoped for a better overclock, even though that didn't work out.
    coondayYou guys must really want me to buy that 7870 Myst Edition. I'm actually hoping to see 2 of those cards in a crossfire configuration on the $2000 build.
    Nobody wants you to buy the Myst Edition. Tahiti-LE is a good value, if you like that argument pick your favorite vender. Vender choice wasn't available on purchase day.

    But hey, I'm on board with the 7870 Myst Edition CrossFire suggestion...I'll see if we can make it happen!
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    J_E_D_70 , February 28, 2013 4:02 AM
    Good call on the bigger SSD over a HDD. Not sure what folks are filling them up with. My other PC has 250GB drive with 400 or so CDs ripped to it, thousands of photos, lots of docs and the office suite and isn't full. Die mechanical drives. Just die.
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    roltzje , February 28, 2013 4:38 AM
    Im going o defend their choice here, this isnt "Build the best gaming pc for the money" its to build the best performance PC for the money. And having a large capacity SSD along with mid-upper end CPU/GPU seems good to me. If they wanted to build a pure gaming PC the extra $200 would just be spent on the GPU.

    I think theres something to be said about the value at above $1000 though.. past this price range, people really start caring about having a nice case, nice cooler, etc that are more than just performance but aesthetics too.
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    rahulkadukar , February 28, 2013 4:45 AM
    Just do a $2000 build and name it something as "Imaginary build" or something stupid but just do it as a reference for those who may actually spend $2000 on a build.
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    ta152h , February 28, 2013 5:42 AM
    I think these would be more interesting if they pitted AMD against Intel/NVIDIA at the same price target.

    Most likely they'd end up with a similar ugly case that no one would really want, possibly the same memory and hard disk, but the heart of the system would always be different.

    Besides, people love rivalries. Sure, AMD processors blow in absolute performance, but they're cheap, and maybe the video card can save the day against the evil Intel/NVIDIA empires. It's a lot more interesting than testing two essentially identical machines, except for the hard disk.

    Do it for different price ranges, and it might even be more competitive. $500, $750, and $1000 might not all have the same winner.
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    dudewitbow , February 28, 2013 5:46 AM
    Totally called that the gpu wasnt going to change. marginal benefits to fund the difference between the 7870 LE and 7950.
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    Crashman , February 28, 2013 5:51 AM
    ta152hI think these would be more interesting if they pitted AMD against Intel/NVIDIA at the same price target.
    Every time AMD CPU's lose, AMD fans scream that it was intentional. And why would anyone want to pair Intel with Nvidia when Intel with AMD has so much performance for the money?
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    mayankleoboy1 , February 28, 2013 5:57 AM
    Lets do a "Worse of" builds, just for shites and giggles
    Pair a AMD CPU with a Nvidia GPU. So its expensive and may not perform as well.

    (I will be extremely happy if this build performs well)
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