AMD’s Ryzen AI 300-series APUs could offer graphics performance on a par with low-end discrete GPUs
Radeon 890M could reach into Arc A370M and GeForce GTX 1650 laptop territory.
When AMD announced its Ryzen AI 300-series processors earlier this month, it revealed that they offered around 20% higher CPU performance and approximately 36% higher gaming performance (in undisclosed conditions) compared to predecessors. Apparently, MSI was reportedly a bit more specific about the grunt delivered by AMD's upcoming APUs, and it turns out that their gaming performance is on par with some well-known previous-generation discrete GPUs. However, please keep in mind that we are dealing with unverified information here.
"According to MSI's booth (at Computex? – TH Editor), the Ryzen AI 9 300 series processors have improvements of around 20% in single-core, multi-core, and integrated graphics performance," wrote well-known hardware leaker Golden Pig Upgrade Pack. "This translates to approximately 2,000+ in single-core and 20,000+ in multi-core on the R23 benchmark, and a Time Spy score of around 3,600+."
Assuming that AMD's latest integrated GPU — the Radeon 890M — indeed scores around 3,600 points in 3DMark Time Spy, its performance is more or less in line with the performance of Intel's Arc A370M, GeForce MX 570 for Laptops, or GeForce GTX 1650 for Laptops - or thereabouts.
AMD's flagship Ryzen AI 370 AI HX 370 processor sports 12 general-purpose Zen 5-based CPU cores and an RDNA 3.5-based Radeon 890M GPU with 16 compute units (1,024 stream processors). The new Radeon 890M integrated graphics processor has 33% more stream processors and can indeed deliver significantly higher compute performance compared to the Radeon 780M, its predecessor.
Yet, as the performance of iGPUs is typically constrained by thermal design power and memory bandwidth, the actual performance increase of iGPUs due to an increased number of SPs is typically lower than the increase of their theoretical compute performance. That said, it is reasonable to expect the Radeon 890M to offer around 20% higher performance than the Radeon 780M in typical use cases.
Meanwhile, in some games that are not constrained by memory bandwidth but need more compute horsepower, it may well feature significantly higher performance than its predecessor due to the higher number of compute units and architectural innovations of the RDNA 3.5 microarchitecture compared to the RDNA 3 microarchitecture.
There are a couple of things to note here, though. First, while MSI's performance estimates are a bit more specific than those of AMD, it is likely that the company compared its laptops based on different processors, so the CPUs were not equal (as different laptops use different cooling and memory). Secondly, we have no idea about the drivers used for testing. Thirdly, we cannot verify the leaked information about performance ourselves. In general, while there is good cause to be optimistic, take this leaked information about the performance of AMD's next-generation integrated GPU with a grain of salt.
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Anton Shilov is a contributing writer at Tom’s Hardware. Over the past couple of decades, he has covered everything from CPUs and GPUs to supercomputers and from modern process technologies and latest fab tools to high-tech industry trends.
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You missed an important point which needs to be mentioned here.Reply
MSI Laptops which were showcased during Computex were all sporting early ES chips, and we also don't know anything about the TDP, and the test environment.
And since these processors were also not final designs. and were using early engineering silicon of the AMD Ryzen AI 300 chips, so these perf uplift claims are moot at least for now.
The final performance should be different. Also, most importantly, the said Chinese leaker didn't state which specific SKU was tested, since we have two processors which come under the Ryzen AI 300 series, the AI 9 HX 370 and Ryzen AI 9 365.
But anyway, a preliminary score of over 3600 points should put the 890M or 880M iGPU in close distance to the GeForce RTX 2050 (Laptop) GPU as well.
AMD's flagship Ryzen AI 370 AI HX 370 processor sports 12 general-purpose Zen 5-based CPU cores....
Nice double typo. Correct it please. ;) -
"Assuming that AMD's latest integrated GPU — the Radeon 890M — indeed scores around 3,600 points in 3DMark Time Spy, its performance is more or less in line with the performance of Intel's Arc A370M, GeForce MX 570 for Laptops, or GeForce GTX 1650 for Laptops - or thereabouts."
First off, there is no proof we are looking at the 890M here, as this could also be the 880M iGPU as well. So it would be unwise to claim that this was indeed the 890M SKU. It might also be, but we don't know for sure.
Because the leaker didn't mention which specific SKU was tested, since we have two processors which come under the Ryzen AI 300 series, the AI 9 HX 370 and Ryzen AI 9 365. -
KnightShadey
Since we're talking about ES/non-standard... it should be noted that 3600 would put it above the NORMAL GTX2050 mobile , it'd trail the OC'd version (1700Mhz) well above the usual boost clocks of 1477Mhz, which usually falls around 3300pts according to NotebookCheck's list.Metal Messiah. said:But anyway, a preliminary score of over 3600 points should put the 890M or 880M iGPU in close distance to the GeForce RTX 2050 (Laptop) GPU as well.
https://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-RTX-2050-Mobile-GPU-Benchmarks-and-Specs.586930.0.html
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/gaming-laptops/compare-20-series/ -
KnightShadey Don't know why the US nV site is showing German language preview/synopsis? 🤷🏻♂️ 🤨Reply -
KnightShadey said:Don't know why the US nV site is showing German language preview/synopsis? 🤷🏻♂️ 🤨
Yes, that's weird ! lol. -
oofdragon You know a laptop RTX 2050 can run any modern game, even at good graphics settings if you don't mind playing it around 30fps, I certainly don't. This is what fires me up when I look at a potato switch 2 rumour, the tech is here already to make GPUs "obsolete". If you can play a game like Horizon West or Plague Requiem at around 35fps low settings without FSR3, what game can't be played in a optimized gaming OS like a Nintendo console with a iGPU like this with good graphics? It would be literally a portable PS5! I get the cost is going to be higher but people do buy PS5s at $500, $550, even up to $1000 if you factor in VR2. Then there's the thing the switch 2 is launching mid cycle for a projected 7 years duty, if it comes really as a lowly portable PS4 it's just too much wastes potential. I for sure won't be buying anything Nintendo ever again until they catch up as I didn't buy into the Switch when they could have made it easily a 1TF mobile console back thenReply -
redgarl Strix Halo is rumored to have 40CU, which is about a 7700XT. If AMD play it right, they could wipe out all the entry dGPU on laptops.Reply -
TechyIT223 iGPU catching up with discrete graphic cards pretty well thanks to new and refined be GPU architectures.Reply -
oofdragon
Can you explain if it's possible for them or not to make a 7800X3D class CPU with a iGPU like this? If it is possible, why won't they?Metal Messiah. said:You missed an important point which needs to be mentioned here.
MSI Laptops which were showcased during Computex were all sporting early ES chips, and we also don't know anything about the TDP, and the test environment.
And since these processors were also not final designs. and were using early engineering silicon of the AMD Ryzen AI 300 chips, so these perf uplift claims are moot at least for now.
The final performance should be different. Also, most importantly, the said Chinese leaker didn't state which specific SKU was tested, since we have two processors which come under the Ryzen AI 300 series, the AI 9 HX 370 and Ryzen AI 9 365.
But anyway, a preliminary score of over 3600 points should put the 890M or 880M iGPU in close distance to the GeForce RTX 2050 (Laptop) GPU as well.
Nice double typo. Correct it please. ;) -
hannibal
Too expensive too little demand…oofdragon said:Can you explain if it's possible for them or not to make a 7800X3D class CPU with a iGPU like this? If it is possible, why won't they?