Intel 14th Gen Meteor Lake CPUs May Embrace An L4 Cache

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  • -Fran-
    Oh, if so, then they are definitely* preempting AMD and its VCache hitting the Laptop market.

    Interesting times ahead for Laptops!

    Regards.
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  • JayNor
    ", Ponte Vecchio's base tile carries 144MB of L2 cache"

    each of the two base tiles... total 288MB SRAM on PVC in base tiles. see the Gomes presentation.
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  • Meteor Lake should hit the retail market in the second half of this year.

    But only the MOBILE parts. Mobile chips might hit the retail first, since I think the desktop variants might even get canceled. Because we would rather get "Raptor Lake Refresh" as a stopgap before Meteor hits the market. MTL-S might get a 2024 release date, if Intel indeed has plans for a desktop variant, according to rumors.

    FWIW, just recently Hardware Times actually shared what looks to be an official Intel slide that seems to confirm the whispers about Meteor Lake for desktops being canceled. The updated roadmap reveals that Intel might only be planning to launch Raptor Lake-S processors in 2023; all mentions of Meteor Lake seem to have been scrapped.

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  • rluker5
    It doesn't look like the old version of L4 to me.
    Those used a whole separate memory controller for the in package dram chip.
    There were 2 concurrent controllers working and the combined latency was less than that of either.

    Don't see another controller or a dram chip.

    Maybe it is a big chunk of sram that can't be synced properly to work as L3. In this case it would be just a bit slower than regular L3.

    And the application would be the same as the x3d, but without added thermal limitations.
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  • atomicWAR
    -Fran- said:
    Oh, if so, then they are definitely* preempting AMD and its VCache hitting the Laptop market.

    Interesting times ahead for Laptops!

    Regards.
    Exactly where my brain went too. Intuitive post as usual Fran. 😃

    Its funny though now we're hitting sram scaling issues and cache has become the next big thing in processing with both Nvidia and AMD going all in with gpus and cpus in AMDs case... Now Intel is entering the fray. Interesting indeed.
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  • -Fran-
    atomicWAR said:
    Exactly where my brain went too. Intuitive post as usual Fran. 😃

    Its funny though now we're hitting sram scaling issues and cache has become the next big thing in processing with both Nvidia and AMD going all in with gpus and cpus in AMDs case... Now Intel is entering the fray. Interesting indeed.
    Thanks!

    I could add that, generally speaking, ML workloads benefit a lot with big cache sizes, so this may also be Intel experimenting with it on lower end product models?

    Intel has put out some very interesting contraptions before, so they're no strangers to them, so this may well be a one-off model that got leaked or something.

    That being said, I hope I'm wrong and we do get more cache on both camps for Laptops and other low power devices that could make good use of it; cough cough Steam Deck cough cough
    Regards.
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  • drtweak
    I remember when L2 was a new thing, then L3, and now L4? When L5 coming out? lol
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  • bit_user
    drtweak said:
    I remember when L2 was a new thing, then L3, and now L4? When L5 coming out? lol
    L1 is special, because it's separated into code & data. I'm not exactly sure when that separation first came to x86 - maybe Pentium Pro? That's the first time I recall a x86 CPU having L2 cache, anyway.

    L2 is usually single-core, but sometimes shared between a pair or quad of cores.

    L3 is usually global, but I think the scope of AMD's L3 is limited to a single CCD chiplet, at least insofar as who writes it.

    Beyond that, I think any further caching domain is either shared between multiple physical CPUs (IBM Z comes to mind, here) or between multiple IP blocks (e.g. CPU + NPU + iGPU) and sometimes called SLC (system-level cache).
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  • KyaraM
    drtweak said:
    I remember when L2 was a new thing, then L3, and now L4? When L5 coming out? lol
    L4 cache isn't exactly new, not even in consumer CPUs. Intel did that in the 4th generation iirc? Might have been fifth. Been a couple years in any case.
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  • bit_user
    KyaraM said:
    L4 cache isn't exactly new, not even in consumer CPUs. Intel did that in the 4th generation iirc? Might have been fifth. Been a couple years in any case.
    The article does mention the eDRAM of certain Haswell & Broadwell SKUs. They also supported using the in-package HMC DRAM of Xeon Phi (KNL) as a cache. This is the first time I think they ever would be bringing L4 to truly mainstream models, however.
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