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MSI Radeon HD 4870 X2 OC Edition (R4870X2-T2D2G-OC)

Radeon HD 4870 X2: Four Cards Compared
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The 2D noise level is 52.2 dB(A), while in 3D mode it stays at 52.2 or rises up to 62.2 dB(A) for a short while.

For many users, the operating temperature of the single-chip Radeon HD 4870 was way too high and if you didn’t like the heat, you had to manually adjust the fan speed and flash the BIOS with your own settings. MSI noticed this problem and shipped its OC edition with an improved fan profile, resulting in higher fan speeds for lower temperatures.

The dual-chip Radeon HD 4870 X2 OC has different fan settings that result in varying noise levels and temperatures compared to the rest of the test group. In 2D mode, the card cools down to 43°C, but you will constantly hear 52.2 dB(A) of noise. The other X2 cards are significantly quieter, but heat up to levels of 64 to 78 degrees. The fan speed doesn’t change in 3D mode, where the temperature is held to between 76°C and 80°C. If the graphic chip crosses the 80 degree threshold, the fan speeds up significantly, roaring at 62.2 dB(A) until the temperature goes below the threshold again.

Standard clock speed MSIStandard clock speed Catalyst

MSI OC edition

The standard fan speed for 2D operation is 27% at about 1,400 RPM, whereas MSI brings it up to 50% or 3,200 RPM. Under 3D load, the fan speed ranges between 3,400 and 3,900 RPM, and above 80°C it runs at 100% and 4,800 RPM. After cooling down, the fan speed drops to 3,200 RPM until it reaches the critical temperature threshold once again.

At first this sounds drastic, but the advantage of this setup is that nothing changes from overclocking and the temperatures never go into the critical range. MSI only slightly overclocks the OC edition. Its GPU speed was increased from 750 MHz to 780 MHz and the graphics memory stays the same at a standard setting of 900 MHz. In our tests, the GPU can easily handle 800 MHz, which unfortunately is the limit in the driver menu—if you want more, you will have to use ATI Tool or Riva Tuner. The graphics memory can take 965 MHz, which is an acceptable value. At 970 MHz, we started to see our first image errors.

Accessories MSI

There aren’t that many accessories here, including no games (despite MSI advertising the card as a “Gaming Series”). The CrossFire bridge and the DVI-to-HDMI adapter are included.

Our same disclaimer covering overclocking applies here. Take the board over MSI’s factory settings and you risk forgoing support in the event of an issue.

MSI Radeon HD 4870 X2 OC Edition
A loud, but cool, dual-chip Radeon HD 4870 X2 card. Overclocking shouldn’t lead to overheating because of the high fan speeds. There aren’t that many accessories; it doesn’t come with any games despite being called the “Gaming Series.”
  • Advantages
  • Disadvantages
    • Good overclocking potential
    • Cool, though loud
    • Loud, though cool

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    Anonymous , November 19, 2008 7:40 AM
    Not only do we have four super-fast Radeon HD 4870 X2s to test, but also a list of 31 other graphics configurations including CrossFire and SLI setups. If you're in the market for AMD's fastest card available, you'll want to see this.

    Radeon HD 4870 X2: Four Cards Compared : Read more
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    neiroatopelcc , November 19, 2008 9:37 AM
    "Because of accessories and price, Sapphire is our best-buy recommendation."
    One slight warning about sapphire though. If you have problems, don't expect their support team to help you before you've solved the problem yourself!

    I made a ticket regarding some issues with my 4870 on august 7th, and received a reply on the 26th of september! That's 46 days to address an error they simply stated would go away with a bios upgrade from their homepage!

    As for the article, I actually liked the detailed driver errors they encountered. Not that I liked the errors themselves, but I liked them being explained. Usually you just read 'after spending some hours resolving driver errors ....' without getting any wiser.
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    ilovebarny , November 19, 2008 12:37 PM
    Why didnt they use the GTX260 Core 216? its like way better than the regular GTX260. And i just read yesterday that Nvidia was only going to make GTX260 Core 216 now. http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=10497&Itemid=1
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    ilovebarny , November 19, 2008 12:39 PM
    And i wish they had SLI'ed the 9800GTX+.
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    Chizops , November 19, 2008 1:01 PM
    Why didn't they try using core i7 (extreme maybe)
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    enforcer22 , November 19, 2008 1:11 PM
    Pei-chenWow, AMD cards consume power like a Detroit SUV. I like Nvidia GTX 2xx series’ Toyota Prius like efficiency at idle.



    Hmm your right. Power house vs crippled mouse.. yeah your analagy sucked im sure mine did to but all i saw from what you typed was i like weak stuff dont give me more power.
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    bdollar , November 19, 2008 1:27 PM
    seems to me if you are going to be comparing the highest end cards and even crossfire them for 4x you would have the highest resolution as one of the options. i would think people considering going x2 in crossfire would consider a 30" screen.

    don't get me wrong, i liked the article but would have liked to have seen the resolution spectrum hit the top.
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    Anonymous , November 19, 2008 1:34 PM
    It's nice to see the 9800GX2 included in the tests. I was considering the 4870x2 due to all the rave reviews but they never had the comparison like this against my current 9800GX2. I won't be getting new card anytime soon it seems. Thanks.
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    cleeve , November 19, 2008 2:13 PM
    Wow, tons of info there, Tino. Nicely done!
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    marcolau , November 19, 2008 2:37 PM
    neiroatopelcc is right , shappire support is non existent.

    I bought a 2900 xt more than a year ago , on the box in huge letters the pomise for the blax box ( games from steam ) , well where are they ?

    I am still waiting , i sent them an email but after a month no reply .

    Good way to show how u care about your customers Shapphire and even better way to lose them.

    now for 8 bucks difference i bought a Asus 4870 , i had a nice bag for cd software and games and i had them soon .

    Bye Bye Shappire
    So no more shappire , asus all the way :) 
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    dirtmountain , November 19, 2008 2:42 PM
    Well done, great information.
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    marcolau , November 19, 2008 2:47 PM
    ah i forgot to mention it , i also get a slightly overclocked card with no warranty issues :) 
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    scryer_360 , November 19, 2008 3:18 PM
    Wasn't there a comparison using Phenom, Yorkdale and Nehalem chips just a few weeks ago where dual and tri-sli GTX 280 cards were clearly superior to the 4870 X2 in single card and dual card (that is, one 4870 X2 and two 4870 X2s) configurations? What gives here where suddenly the 9800 GX2 is a powerful card again and the GTX 280 is presented as nothing but terrible?

    Eh? These charts do not make sense either, we're getting a 9800 GX2 seemingly more powerful than a GTX 280 in here.

    Was is das? Ich bin TERRIBLY CONFUSED.
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    bounty , November 19, 2008 3:59 PM
    Basically except for a few games, new cards are pointless. In the last round Nvidia made cards that still don't play crysis well, but you may have gone from 100 to 130 fps in some other game (but it doesn't matter). And AMD caught up.

    If it's CPU's that are the problem, then damnit, game developers seriously need to find some better multithreading optimizations.
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    BlakHart , November 19, 2008 4:06 PM
    my 1gb 4870 is always left out :(  lol
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    hellwig , November 19, 2008 4:16 PM
    Scryer_360Wasn't there a comparison using Phenom, Yorkdale and Nehalem chips just a few weeks ago where dual and tri-sli GTX 280 cards were clearly superior to the 4870 X2 in single card and dual card (that is, one 4870 X2 and two 4870 X2s) configurations? What gives here where suddenly the 9800 GX2 is a powerful card again and the GTX 280 is presented as nothing but terrible?Eh? These charts do not make sense either, we're getting a 9800 GX2 seemingly more powerful than a GTX 280 in here.Was is das? Ich bin TERRIBLY CONFUSED.



    My thoughts too, their Best Video Card list from November had:

    1) 4870 X2
    2) GTX 280
    3) 9800 GX2, GTX 260, 4870

    But now the 9800 GX2 is superior/equal to a 4870 X2?
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    slomo4sho , November 19, 2008 4:41 PM
    I highly appreciate the "fps per watts" chart.

    Seems the bottom line still is that everything past the 9800 GTX+ or 4850 is basically overkill for most 1680x1050 game play with the obvious exception being Crysis(this game is just coded poorly). Anything over 30 fps will hardly be noticable to the human eye so there really is no sense in buying a card that consumes 150 extra watts of power and costs $300 more so you can have 100+ fps.
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    dagger , November 19, 2008 4:42 PM
    hellwigMy thoughts too, their Best Video Card list from November had:1) 4870 X22) GTX 2803) 9800 GX2, GTX 260, 4870But now the 9800 GX2 is superior/equal to a 4870 X2?


    That's only true in some games. Different engines handle different cards differently. Remember, 9800gx2's g92 is identical to that of a 9800gtx, single 4870 outperform 9800gtx by 20-30%, cf/sli/x2 depends highly on driver optimizations, 9800gx2 already has mature drivers, which means more efficient operations, smaller gap against 4870x2 overall, and outperforming it in a few games. 4870x2 will improve over time.

    As for 9800gx2 outperforming gtx280, that has always been true. It's just few people realize it. Gtx280 cost $420, 9800gx2 $275. Nvidia's hype machine focus on current cash cow.
    http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3341&p=13
    http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3341&p=14
    http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3341&p=15
    http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3341&p=16
    http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3341&p=17
    http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3341&p=18
    http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3341&p=19
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    Arbie , November 19, 2008 4:44 PM
    Regarding the problems with the ASUS "SmartDoctor" Windows utility, my experience is the same as most people report: NEVER install an ASUS Windows app. They usually combine negligible functionality with a huge increase in problems. The only exception I've found is their PCProbe II which works well with their own motherboards. You can learn the easy way or the hard way on this. BTW I love my HD 4850.
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