The Week In CPUs And Storage: Intel Shipping Purley (Skylake-EP) Xeons, Just Not To You

Intel professed its love for all things AI at its inaugural AI Day. Intel chose to christen the event with an unexpected announcement that it is already shipping the Purley generation, otherwise known as the Skylake-EP Xeons, to its besties and no one else. The company also announced its new Lake Crest and Knights Crest products. We'll get down in the Purley and AI weeds after the recap. 

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  • bit_user
    I can understand if general release of Skylake-EP got held back because some features aren't yet ready for prime time. I just hope they had an open & fair bidding process for their customers who were interested in the specialized SKUs.

    I still think the delay sucks almost as much as the rumors that Kabylake-X will have only 16 PCIe lanes, even though it'll share the same socket-2066 as the 28/44-lane Skylake-X. So, if you're only going to get 16 lanes and 4 cores, why would you even put a Kaby in that socket?
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  • Cerunnos
    This talk of "preferred customers" is quite absurd. There has been and always will be "customized" SKUs for certain customers. This is simply customized chips. With FPGAs built into the CPU, each chip can then be modified to suit a particular demand. It isn't as if Intel isn't selling them to customers, but the fact that what it sells to each customer is most likely tailored to favor a certain type of workload (most likely defined by the customer). Sometimes the customer may actually work with them in implementing a specific design. These designs will most likely never be made available to other parties due to it being a joint project that has a ton of legal restrictions.

    Same example, Microsoft and Sony both set the specifications for AMD to carry out for console SoCs. AMD customized the chip for each party according to what they want. Using the same logic here, you can say that AMD shafted Microsoft with the reduced GPU horsepower even if it clearly was Microsoft's decision.
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  • Paul Alcorn
    18887195 said:
    This talk of "preferred customers" is quite absurd. There has been and always will be "customized" SKUs for certain customers. This is simply customized chips. With FPGAs built into the CPU, each chip can then be modified to suit a particular demand. It isn't as if Intel isn't selling them to customers, but the fact that what it sells to each customer is most likely tailored to favor a certain type of workload (most likely defined by the customer). Sometimes the customer may actually work with them in implementing a specific design. These designs will most likely never be made available to other parties due to it being a joint project that has a ton of legal restrictions.

    Same example, Microsoft and Sony both set the specifications for AMD to carry out for console SoCs. AMD customized the chip for each party according to what they want. Using the same logic here, you can say that AMD shafted Microsoft with the reduced GPU horsepower even if it clearly was Microsoft's decision.

    The point is not that they sell customized versions, that is well known, and has gone on for a few years (as noted in the article).

    The concern is the length of time that they are offering exclusivity of the new architecture - 6 months or more from the outward appearance of it, and the limited number of customers that can attain them. Remember, Intel controls anywhere from 94-99.5% of the data center, depending upon which analyst firm you believe. That gives it a considerable amount of power, actually an unprecedented amount of power.

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  • bit_user
    multi-billion dollar supercomputer cluster
    ...is where?
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  • Cerunnos
    18887289 said:
    The point is not that they sell customized versions, that is well known, and has gone on for a few years (as noted in the article).

    The concern is the length of time that they are offering exclusivity of the new architecture - 6 months or more from the outward appearance of it, and the limited number of customers that can attain them. Remember, Intel controls anywhere from 94-99.5% of the data center, depending upon which analyst firm you believe. That gives it a considerable amount of power, actually an unprecedented amount of power.

    Skylake-EP is most likely available to anyone that is already an Intel partner (as in, they buy from them in somewhat medium to large quantities). This type of seeding is also not very unique to the Purley platform, but what is special is that there are more customized versions tailored to each order.

    We've been working on the Purley platform for some time already and the quantities we purchase from Intel are very low when compared to any of the firms listed in the article.
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  • samopa
    Article says:
    Theoretically, if Intel then denied that same access to Microsoft, which is a "competitor" to Google with Bing and Azure, you could view that as preferential treatment.

    Question:
    Is USA denied same access to its technology advancement (such as F-22 Raptor) to other countries (such as North Korea) also a preferential treatment ? (it allows the access to its "ally" countries, that's also makes it "unfair" competition)
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  • Paul Alcorn
    18887348 said:
    Article says:
    Theoretically, if Intel then denied that same access to Microsoft, which is a "competitor" to Google with Bing and Azure, you could view that as preferential treatment.

    Question:
    Is USA denied same access to its technology advancement (such as F-22 Raptor) to other countries (such as North Korea) also a preferential treatment ? (it allows the access to its "ally" countries, that's also makes it "unfair" competition)

    Well, matters of national security, or things under the guise of such (I imagine at times), are a whole 'nother ballpark. However, lawsuits are filed over an operating system vendor with a near-monopoly pushing their own version of a web browser. It's a bit different when it falls into that category, though I am no law professor and cannot untangle that for you with any authority :)

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  • bit_user
    18887348 said:
    Question:
    Is USA denied same access to its technology advancement (such as F-22 Raptor) to other countries (such as North Korea) also a preferential treatment ? (it allows the access to its "ally" countries, that's also makes it "unfair" competition)
    ...where to start. Well, the reason this is even a cause for concern is that the US has laws designed to prevent unfair business practices, since this could disadvantage consumers.

    Now, when you're talking about selling weapons to foreign countries, there's the opposite concern. We don't want to sell them to anyone who might use them against us or our allies.

    It's like comparing apples and oranges. They're different situations, with different laws and incentives.
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  • Paul Alcorn
    18887341 said:
    multi-billion dollar supercomputer cluster
    ...is where?

    Actually quite a few in China now, as well, but a bunch here in the US. The Sunway TaihuLight is actually the fastest in the world now, 10,649,600 CPU cores!!! It was built with China-developed RISC chips, largely because of US export restrictions from CFUIS.

    It's so odd, Intel can't sell some chips in China, but IBM and AMD can licence their tech and both of those are now being built in China. Still can't figure out how that is allowed, or how it makes sense.
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  • bit_user
    18887369 said:
    18887341 said:
    multi-billion dollar supercomputer cluster
    ...is where?

    Actually quite a few in China now, as well, but a bunch here in the US.
    Specifically multi-$B?

    18887369 said:
    The Sunway TaihuLight is actually the fastest in the world now, 10,649,600 CPU cores!!! It was built with China-developed RISC chips, largely because of US export restrictions from CFUIS.
    They just accelerated an existing project. It's only 28 nm, and those cores are really more akin to GPU cores, as well. It's not general-purpose programmable, like a Xeon would be. Still, impressive.

    18887369 said:
    It's so odd, Intel can't sell some chips in China, but IBM and AMD can licence their tech and both of those are now being built in China. Still can't figure out how that is allowed, or how it makes sense.
    That restriction was merely punitive. China did something we didn't like, such as taking out Github wit their Great Firehose or hacking Google, and we responded by banning sale of a few CPU SKUs to them. Whatever the reason, it wasn't publicly disclosed.

    We have almost no leverage over China, any more. There's pretty much nothing short-term we could do that wouldn't hurt ourselves worse. That's what happens when you pit a country run by politicians who just think about getting re-elected in 2, 4, or 6 years vs. one that has a unified party and a unified, regular planning process. I'm not saying I'd rather live in China, but their system does have certain advantages.
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