MSI GT70 Dragon Edition 2 By Xotic PC: Haswell Goes Mobile

Synthetic Heat Run And The Impact Of MSI's NOS

In order to really push the GT70 to its limits, you already saw us fully load its Core i7-4930MX CPU and GeForce GTX 780M GPU. Each part is kept at its factory-overclocked frequency, since Xotic PC fully guarantees those settings. The goal was to run the machine until its internal and external temperatures maxed out. The only reason to end a run early would be a hardware failure.

There's a lot going on in this chart. First, turn your attention to the red line, which represents CPU temperature. As the chip gets past that initial 28-second burst of Turbo Boost speed, it quickly spikes to just over 85 degrees Celsius, then quickly falls below 80 as the fan kicks in and the CPU frequency drops to about 3.3 GHz. The temperature stays below 90 degrees for the entire run, showcasing the effectiveness of MSI's cooling implementation, even in the face of Haswell's documented heat issues. 

Next, we look at the yellow line illustrating the the battery's charge level. As described earlier, the GT70 employs a "feature" called NOS that draws extra power from the battery if the platform needs more than the AC adapter can provide. At 30%, NOS shuts down and performance is pulled back. Now we see what happens when NOS is disengaged. Looking at the yellow battery line, the discharge rate is even over time until hitting 29% at the 105-minute mark. The transition out of NOS is less dramatic than we expected. The CPU dips down to 800 MHz, then quickly spins  back up to about 2.6 GHz. GPU power consumption does not change at all, and the battery charge rate is zero.

When NOS disengages, draw from the walls rises from 179 W to 203. Adding in 10% losses to heat, we'd expect a 180 W power supply to pull 200 W from the wall. We don't understand why MSI doesn't allow its adapter to run at full power all of the time.

The other thing we see when NOS throttles the processor down is the influence of the heat pipe joining the CPU and GPU. Even though the GPU load does not change significantly, the GPU temperature goes down as the CPU generates less heat. MSI's updated thermal solution is now a proven improvement.

The GT70 keeps an overclocked GeForce GTX 780M under 85 degrees for the entire stress test, performing excellently. Intel's chipset does warm up, but stabilizes in the mid-60-degree range. Both storage sensors actually register lower temperatures once the fans kick in, showing excellent separation from other heat sources in the machine, along with commendable overall cooling performance.

The chart below contains another run that we completed with the new BIOS. We had to extend this one to 140 minutes due to improvements in the NOS function.

Temperatures and performance during most of the test remain unchanged with the new BIOS. With the system’s power adaptor now providing 187 W, the battery lasts around 30 minutes longer than the first test. Once NOS disengages and the CPU pulls back to 800 MHz with spikes to 3.2 GHz, the chip's thermals fall off quickly. The effect of the single CPU/GPU heat pipe is even more pronounced since the CPU speed (and therefore, heat) is much lower with the newer BIOS.

Taking a closer look at CPU clock rate during the heat run, we see that the machine enjoys a bit of Turbo Boost acceleration at the beginning, settling around 3.3 GHz once the thermal situation dictates as much. If we weren't also applying a GPU load, the GT70 would likely run at this frequency indefinitely. But because the graphics module is causing battery drain, we also see the impact of NOS disengaging around the 105-minute mark. The dip goes as low as 800 MHz and recovers to 2.6 GHz. Once Prime95 is shut down at 114 minutes, the system jumps back up to 4.1 GHz.

Below is the frequency result for the same run with MSI's newer firmware.

Clock rates remain the same. Once NOS is turned off and the system no longer draws battery power, there's another drop to 800 MHz with quick spikes up to 3.2 GHz. In this situation, the new BIOS does not improve system performance.

The GT70's palm rest and keyboard remained cool throughout testing. The only areas where we felt heat were one corner by the LCD hinge and right above the side exhaust vent. Those spots get warm, but it's still possible to leave your hand there without getting uncomfortable. Plus, those aren't parts of the notebook you'd normally be grabbing. Right-handed users will have no issues with the exhaust heat, though lefties might be more likely to have their mousing hand in front of the side vent.

In the shot above, you can see the GT70's charge rate with NOS disabled and FurMark running. The system is pulling 187 W from the wall, and the battery is being charged at close to 21 W. Below, we see the CPU's power consumption.

If we take the CPU draw of about 16 W and add it to the 21 W being charged, we're able to surmise that about 37 W are available to the CPU when the GPU is fully loaded. A A 37 W Core i7-4702MQ should never have to use NOS to draw power from the system’s battery. A 47 W Core i7-4700MQ, -4800MQ, or -4900MQ is less likely to use NOS, though there are still 10 W that need to be made up somewhere else in the system. With the Core i7-4930MX and GeForce GTX 780M, you have 20 W needed from the battery under full CPU and GPU load. To really get the most out of the GT70 in this power-hungry, overclocked configuration, you really need a larger power adapter, pure and simple.

In order to test how NOS might behave with another CPU, we used Intel's Extreme Tuning Utility to limit the amount of power the CPU is allowed to use. We then played Crysis 3 for 15 minutes and compared the results. At full power, the machine used 4% of its battery in that 15-minute run. Limited to 47 W, the machine used 3%. Limited to 37 W, it consumed 2%. Only at 37 W and a stock GeForce GTX 780M (not overclocked) were we able to get around NOS, still averaging 38 FPS using Very High details at 1920x1080.

Overall, the GT70 performs really well until its battery drops below 30% charge. Because NOS deliberately uses the battery for extra power, expect performance to drop once NOS is disabled. Putting extra wear on a system’s battery during intense plugged-in gaming sessions is not what we would call a desirable feature. 

This wear is exacerbated by an AC adapter the delivered less power with MSI's original firmware. With the updated BIOS, battery wear in normal gaming environments is greatly reduced. Titles like Crysis 3 place a taxing load on both the CPU and GPU, compelling NOS to tap into the battery if you're running a high-end Core i7-4930MX and GeForce GTX 780M combination.

We hope MSI continues to optimize its battery situation through additional BIOS updates. We also hope MSI considers bundling a larger power adapter to minimize reliance on NOS. Further, we wish there was a way to completely disable NOS so that you'd have the option to maintain a fully-charged battery.

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  • cobra5000
    My A10 laptop w/7660g may not have the specs but it plays great and only cost me $505.99.
    How about that for bragging rights!
  • sha7bot
    Forbes magazine posted a great article on this system, as well. Seems like Alienware, ASUS, and Clevo have some serious competition.
  • lunyone
    I have an AMD a6 quad core CPU w/7670 dGPU that cost me <$400 and it will game okay for most things. Of coarse it's no screamer unit, but for 95% of what I do it works just fine. Yes I would have loved to had a better system for light gaming, but my laptop fit my budget. I wish that we got off this 1366 x 768 resolution and started out at 1600 x 900 for 11-15" laptops as a minimum, but that is just me.
  • Ducktor
    Please remove the term W/h from the text as well as "Watt per hour" from the graph on page 14. This unit is meaningless! 1W = 1J/s which is already a rate of power consumption. Dividing this unit by an hour yields 1W/h = 1J/3600s^2 which actually implies an acceleration in power consumption! Such mistakes are really hard to accept on a technical site like Tom's
  • danwat1234
    Yea, the 180w ac adapter in this laptop, and also in the Gt60-2od laptop (the 15" version of this laptop) should really come with a ~240w AC adapter like what the Asus G750 has, but it doesn't. So they made NOS to adapt.
    It is unfortunate. What if I want to crunch on the high-end CPU and the GPU 24/7 for some reason? Can't do it with a 180w AC adapter.

    To those thinking that the built in single fan isn't good enough, it is a 12V fan! I have never seen a 12V fan in a laptop before but this one has it. The Coolerboost feature ramps up the fan RPM to maximum and really keeps the temperatures down.

    There are some reports of bad paste jobs so if you are having high temps, that may be the reason. Call up MSI to verify that your warranty will not be void and then repaste it. MSI is cool in that they'll usually allow you to take off the heatsink whereas Asus won't.

    Thanks Tom's for making a much better review than what Anand did!

    So on page 14, the max power draw from the battery when the laptop is unplugged and you are gaming is only 85 watts? That must mean that the dedicated graphics is shut down and the HD4600 is only on? Can you have the 780m when on only battery power?
  • luckiest charm
    I would feel awkward using this machine in trains, at relative's places, or anywhere else I can be spotted on so I don't become a laughing stock. :P
  • custodian-1
    With the problem with cell phones being stolen I would not take something out of the case.
  • boro169
    I think it should be noted that derived notebooks from this like deviltechs are much cheaper. the starting point of msi is 2400 euros in my country and deviltechs modified msi cost me 2050 with a 250gb samsung 840 and a 1 tb 5400 hdd and the 780m.. yeah it doesn't have the steelseries keyboard it has de gt60 blue blaclight one but...
    for those talking about its not for hardcore gamers... I think they are wrong because i can't take my cosmos II tower with the 3930x and my titan on my back when i visit my girlfriend on train a 300km away from my home... and not everybody can have two of those beasts.. the desktop is always better but you can't drag it always with you to trips...
    for the one talking about being scared of being robbed... I don't know why he walks on the streets wearing a wallet you COULD be robbed... or a plane could crash on your head.... ¬¬ then nobody would buy an smartphone. because to use it indoor and using outdoors and old nokia because if it is robbed its not an expensive lose....
    if you at least talked about the processing power lose when not wall plugged or so that would be a reasonable comentary...
  • adgjlsfhk
    "Plus, there's the warranty coverage on the tuned hardware, which is a plus."
  • warezme
    You know the new Haswell GTX780m Alienware models have been out for awhile. You should have done your comparison with one of those. LIkely more expensive but more direct comparison.
  • Wisecracker
    For all those bucks, it needs a 120Hz refresh

  • ajcroteau
    Those dragon decals are very sexy :)
  • dalauder
    The multi-colored keyboard is stupid.

    If you have multi-colors, use them to some utility. Make the Numpad blue, and numbers and function buttons green with the rest red or something useful. Ideally, alternating number colors would be great. Or maybe the whole keyboard red except for green AWSD and Shift keys.
  • bokeh
    Anonymous said:
    Those dragon decals are very sexy :)

    Not decals. The graphics are etched into the red anodized metal. I tried to capture them in the photos, but they still look better in person.
  • OleTrondheim
    wow, awesome review. You guys covered pretty much all bases.
    And it looks like you put Anandtech`s review to shame.

    Good job guys :)
  • Sakkura
    There's an error on the first page. You say the Geforce GTX 780M normally has memory running at 2.5 GT/s, but it's actually 5 GT/s. GDDR5 effectively runs at a quad data rate, so 1250 MHz = 5000 MT/s.
  • cats_Paw
    I actually have a model that looks exactly the same (GT780DX), but has lower specs so i might be able to point out a few key points:
    First, lets get rid of the CONS:

    -The screen is too heavy for the plastic covering it, this can cause a lot of problems. In reality, if you dont open and close the lid with both hads carefully each time, you are almost guaranteed to break the union point of the plastic surrounding the screen.

    -Loud. The fan is good and quite eficient but its loud. I dont know why they decided to use 1 fan instead of 2 (one for gpu other for CPU), but i guess its for more features.

    -Thin plastic covers. Some parts of this laptop feel weak, especially the botton part of it. Ive iopened the laptop around 3 times for mods and thermal paste change and each time i was SURE id braek that cover. It hols dor now thou.

    -Keyboard. While the keyboard is definitly above average. However, you need to press quite hard to make sure it registers. This is ok with the keyboard as its quite sturdy (1.5 years in, no issue whatsowever ), but bare in mind you will need strong actuation force to use this keyboard correctly.

    -Touchpanel( i dont mean the one used as mice, but the one at top for turn on, etc): The touchpanel is usefull, however it can become unresponsive at times (lucky they aded a Blue ray open button). The worst part is that it feels very fragile and cheap. It will do its job, but since the rest of the laptop is build very well, this feels out of place.

    -Trackpanel (the one used as mice): At laeast in my laptop its fairly unaccurate. Its not a problem for me as i would not game with it, but at times it is bothering.

    -Um, oh and... yeah, this thing is heavy. If you get the laptop+the charger+some mice+some cds.... you can end up carring around 8-10 KG :D.

    Now to The PRos:

    -The screen is amazingly good (dont expect to use it outdoors, but its quality is some of the best in the market).

    -The sound is decent (I am an amateur audiophile and this thing sounds awsome for a laptop, and its totally pasable for regular use).

    -The performance and temperatures are great. Granted my verion is not so packed as it runs a i5-2340M//GTX670M, but my temps after changeing thermal paste to arctic silver 5 at 30 C ambient never surpased 70 C at load (thou this was a short test to check if i applied the thermal paste correctly, so it will vary im sure).

    -The gimiks are fairly cool. The MSI logo is not too chessy, the beyboard lighting system is feirly nice and usefull, and in general it does not seem that they added this just to justify the price.

    -Button to instantly turn off trackpanel. This is just nice.

    -Good overall conectivity (many usb) and also a decent webcam.

    Now the only thing that could be a deal breaker for me is the fact that this is a machine you need to be very carefull with.
    I highly recommend this laptop chasis (MSI actually sold the patent to a few competitores on the chasis, so its very good), and any model using it, but i STRONGLY suggest to anyone that buys it to use a very good carring case.

    The laptop dosent lay well in bags. Allow me to explain: Most bags dont carry laptops in horizontal but in vertical. In most cases, the thiner part of the laptop goes down, and the wider up. This will make the pressure of each step you make impact the screen, as the screen gets all the pressure if you put the laptop downwards that way.
    In other words, without a carring case that will keep the laptop well safe, sooner or alter the screen will suffer, and also most likely the conectors between the screen and the rest of the laptop.
  • g-unit1111
    The look of this laptop is sweet, but the price tag will make me think twice about buying one. Especially when you consider that it's basically a rebaged Sager NP9570 with a crazy RAID SSD setup.
  • yobobjm
    I owned an MSI for a while, I had it for about 2 years and never have any problems. Now I want one of their new GS70s
  • richfloors
    I think using an old Alienware to make this machine look good is very wrong,still, I bet my m17x with dual 5870's would blow it away though!