Can AMD Survive Another Core 2 Duo?

Opinion - IDF is just around the corner and Intel will provide a flood of new information about its upcoming Nehalem (Core i7) processor as well as its 32 nm and 22 nm successors, new architectures such as Larrabee, the ready-to-launch WiMax mobile platform, CE processors such as Tolapai and new partners such as Dreamworks. IDF’s marketing machine typically buries anything from AMD, but this year, AMD is reverting to a strategy from the past: AMD is setting up its camp in a hotel nearby in an effort to balance Intel’s messages. A first briefing discounting Intel’s current product line was given to journalists earlier today. And if the tone of this briefing is any indication, then Nehalem feels like Core 2 Duo all over again.

If you are somewhat interested in what Intel is up to these days, next week’s IDF should bring very few surprises. The new Core i7 processor, the first chip based on Nehalem architecture, will debut in desktop flavors in the fourth quarter, there will be more Nehalem mobile and server chips in 2009; there will be more details on the company’s much discussed 2009/2010; Larrabee graphics card; we will see USB 3.0 and WiMax demonstrations; Intel will announce that it is now producing more 45 nm than 65 nm processors and it will tell attendees that its mobile CPUs are overtaking desktop CPUs in terms of production volume. There will be plenty of information of future technologies that we can expect to see within the next four to five years. In fact we hear that the information coming out of IDF Fall will exceed any other previous IDF and we expect Intel to take full advantage to make its pitch to the 5000-or-so developers and a few hundred journalists from around the world.

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  • genored
    Wow its so sad truly. Amd has the best IGP on the market and the best Low end CPU. 780G + 4X50e is a total domination. And lets face it most peopel don't really need anything more or less then a amd build. Intel has no CPU in the price range of a 4x50e that can outperform or be more energy efficient. The only time when Intel wins is when you go upp to E8x00 series. A CPU like that is for gamers mostly. But if you look at price/performance AMD can deliver the same gaming performance. So we are left with the TOP line CPU. Well Intel is raping AMD here. BUT who the fuck has the money to buy a 1000$ CPU?

    I just don't get it. AMD has a better lineup and most people would benefit from getting a AMD system. And still they get a more expensive Intel system that gives you less performance for the money.
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  • Wheat_Thins
    genoredWow its so sad truly. Amd has the best IGP on the market and the best Low end CPU. 780G + 4X50e is a total domination. And lets face it most peopel don't really need anything more or less then a amd build. Intel has no CPU in the price range of a 4x50e that can outperform or be more energy efficient. The only time when Intel wins is when you go upp to E8x00 series. A CPU like that is for gamers mostly. But if you look at price/performance AMD can deliver the same gaming performance. So we are left with the TOP line CPU. Well Intel is raping AMD here. BUT who the fuck has the money to buy a 1000$ CPU?I just don't get it. AMD has a better lineup and most people would benefit from getting a AMD system. And still they get a more expensive Intel system that gives you less performance for the money.
    Cause Geeks want top end performance and the average clueless consumer walks into the store when they get a new computer and the first thing they say is, "I want an Intel" because they have no clue what AMD even is.

    Back in my college days I would honestly have customers walk into Best Buy and not ask for a computer, they would ask for an Intel. Even when I tried to educate them about the AMD product line they were like, "Stop wasting my time and give me a product I have heard of."

    AMD can compete with Intel still at many levels but unfortunately this is competing on PRICE which is never a trend a technology company should be happy taking. Now that i7 has stole one of their greatest achievements (ODMC) cranked up the bus speed, and created a web with it between all cores one can only imagine the performance to increase further. I like AMD as much as anybody else but my next machine is more then likely going to be Intel given the anticipated and already shown performance coming off pretty much the maiden voyage samples A0? A1?
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  • elbert
    A better question would be can Intel Survive Another Core 2 Duo because they only seem to be replacing there old high end with new. There high end dual cores are over priced and can only compete in games against phenom. The Q6600 is the best Intel has to face AMD in their price range. From a price stand point Nehalem is only replacing penryn quads.

    Point is Intel dropped their 6 core Penryn and doesn't seem to plan a octal core Nehalem launch unless AMD catch up. Intel has more to fear that quad Nehalem doesn't perform enough over quad penryn or G0 kentsfield for enthusiast's.
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  • Zorg
    Right, AMD is getting the crap kicked out of them because everyone is an idiot. :lol:
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  • genored
    Wheat_Thins ya sadly its the way it is people just don't know. Oh i am also gonna get a i7 even if it hurts my pride getting an ITEM with an i in the beginning of them name. Still most of use that know something are gonna get a amd HD4780 1gb or a 4850x2
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  • eklipz330
    no they wont survive another core2duo if they don't get up to speed. any1 want to second that?
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  • kidswithguns
    AMD's holding on its "balanced system", for AMD to catch up Intel's CPU, the next CPU generation, it will need to be faster than the current Phenom 100%. AMD is fighting a hard battle, the current HD4000 series is a big success, but It won't able to push NVIDIA back like Intel did to AMD with its Core 2 Duo.
    AMD still have a long way to go. Both AMD and Intel have their full "system", with CPU, GPU and Main chipset, what about NVIDIA? If Intel's GPU solution really a success, NVIDIA will be in dipshit.
    Atleast AMD still can hold on to its "balanced system".

    Intel: CPU, GPU, CHIPSET.
    AMD: CPU, GPU, CHIPSET.
    NVIDIA: GPU, CHIPSET.
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  • faithful
    I have heard that Toms Hardware has become very biased. It looks it might true. I do agree that AMD has seriously dropped the ball, but this article is very biased against and negative towards AMD. I do believe AMD is going to struggle against Nehalem. Shangai does however give serious competition against Penryn. The reason Dirk Meyer said that they will be 6 month ahead, is because Intel's 45nm was only realy comercially available since a couple of months ago because of "delays."

    AMD has struggled to commit to their launch dates. If however they can come through with Shangai they could be only 6 months behind Intel. Shangai runs on current motherboards and the core is still basically Barcelona. That should mean that the processor would actually be available in retail. Lots of speculation, but I'm just trying to see what Dirk might mean.

    Lets give dues where they are deserved. Intel has made a wonderful comeback with Core2. AMD has a wonderful platform. Intel's G45 can't even render HD videos and the graphics are pathetic compared to the competition. How can this be unimportant? I do think you still need convincing! Many of my customers are less and less worried about the CPU's performance. I still customers who overspend on CPU's and underspend on the rest.

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  • pbrigido
    Of course AMD will survive. They are just a bit lower than its competition when it comes to bringing new products to the market, mainly in regards to is CPU line.
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  • hannibal
    Well, it's not so negative. Intel has an advantage at this moment in production technology and capacity. It allso tells why it's not wise for AMD to release too much of it's upcoming products.
    And just like the article said: "We need strong AMD to keep the development on and competition in the market."
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