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AMD has confirmed that the company will soon launch six-core 45nm consumer level processors.
IDF kicks off today and while Intel is was busy getting ready for the party, AMD has stepped in and snatched just a smidgen of the limelight by announcing that it is readying a hexa-core processor aimed at consumer desktops.
The chip, codenamed Thubon, is set for release sometime next year and according to Maximum PC, it will be backwards compatible with existing AM3 and AM2+ motherboards. Maximum PC cites AMD officials who Monday said that the heavily rumored Thurbon was "a done deal."
Thurbon will feature all six cores on a single 45nm die, feature an integrated DDR3 controller and is expected to have 3MB of L2 and 6MB of L3 cache. No word on branding or clock speeds as of yet but MPC reports the Phenom II X6 as a possible label.
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I have read that AMD plans on a 12-core Opteron CPU by Q2 2010. It's too bad that they couldn't leap frog over Intel and go for the throat by releasing desktop and server 12-core CPUs simultaneously. I am sure there would be a market for a $400 12-core 2.6 GHz CPU if AMD released it. Make an AMD AM3 Extreme motherboard which is basically a rebadged server motherboard with two AM3 sockets on it and 8 ram slots.
24 cores, 16GB DDR3 ram, and two 5870x2 in crossfire - drool!!!
But, I will gladly take a 3.0+ GHz six-core AMD Processor for $245. Maybe by Q2 2010, the prices for 4GB modules of DDR3 memory will have dropped significantly.
How many app's would even take advantage of this?
YEAH GO AMD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Idonno i still think the core i7 side by side will be close, hope to see the comparison of the benchmarks. And Intels Westmere core wont be too shabby either..
Idonno i still think the core i7 side by side will be close, hope to see the comparison of the benchmarks. And Intels Westmere core wont be too shabby either..
I hate to compare them, because when it comes down to it, majority of the buyers pick AMD for cost and/or brand loyalty.
I am sure there would be a market for a $400 12-core 2.6 GHz CPU if AMD released it.
You can't have dual AM3 socket motherboard. AM3 socket is not built for multi-CPU. AM3 has no provision for CPU-to-CPU communication like Socket F has.
I am not sure about how to use six cores. Maybe as X Window server for general home computing?
How many app's would even take advantage of this?
god knows. there are barely any apps out now that even take advantage of quad cores
I hate to compare them, because when it comes down to it, majority of the buyers pick AMD for cost and/or brand loyalty.
Price is huge i understand but, typically for enthusiasts we are more converned with
I have to agree... is there really practical use for it? I still haven't encountered anything for my dual core E8400 to really struggle with...
How many app's would even take advantage of this?
Writing multithreaded apps is not a walk in the park, but even if you run only single threaded apps you can take advantage of multiple core system. Just look your toolbar. How many apps are running at all time. In addition if you using browser like Chrome that creates separate process for each tab you going to feel the benefits of extra 2 cores. Price you pay is the power and heat.
sometimes some news can make a tear run down ur eyes...not a fanboy.. love the core2duo chips.. but this is some good news for all techies!!
Sweet, this might be my upgrade of choice.
I've been running an Athlon 64 X2 4200+ for waaay too long now.
Hell I'd be happy with a Phenom II X4 945.
Core i7 is waaay to expensive for the CPU and motherboard.
Writing multithreaded applications is what I am focusing on in grad school. Next semester, I am taking a Parallel Computing course, where I will be writing applications for 32, 64, and 128 processor supercomputers.
Alright! It's about time AMD steps up their game instead of just playing try-to-keep-up with Intel.
How many app's would even take advantage of this?
god knows. there are barely any apps out now that even take advantage of quad cores
You guys forget that, *WE* will take advantage of this because WE are the sorts of people who are typically running half a dozen (or more) different apps at the same time. Even if few apps take advantage of multi-cores, the OS takes advantage of multi-cores, and that's really what matters. Besides, the next generation of games will likely be written to take advantage of 4+ cores. The gaming industry is always writing games for tomorrow's technology.
How many app's would even take advantage of this?
Far Cry 3 perhaps...
I am sure there would be a market for a $400 12-core 2.6 GHz CPU if AMD released it. Make an AMD AM3 Extreme motherboard which is basically a rebadged server motherboard with two AM3 sockets on it and 8 ram slots.24 cores, 16GB DDR3 ram, and two 5870x2 in crossfire - drool!!!But, I will gladly take a 3.0+ GHz six-core AMD Processor for $245.
the amd 12 core cpu will be 2 new gen 6 core chips glued together on a g34 socket, it wont be backward compatible, but it will be good to see a 12 core cpu for desktop environment.
and dont get ur clock hopes too high for thuban, amd has already said that the clocks wont be as high as current gen phenom ii x4
Finally everyone will be able to play crysis and run antivirus scan at the same time. And still have enough processing power left to compute some Boinc project in the background
I have read that AMD plans on a 12-core Opteron CPU by Q2 2010. It's too bad that they couldn't leap frog over Intel and go for the throat by releasing desktop and server 12-core CPUs simultaneously. I am sure there would be a market for a $400 12-core 2.6 GHz CPU if AMD released it. Make an AMD AM3 Extreme motherboard which is basically a rebadged server motherboard with two AM3 sockets on it and 8 ram slots.24 cores, 16GB DDR3 ram, and two 5870x2 in crossfire - drool!!!But, I will gladly take a 3.0+ GHz six-core AMD Processor for $245. Maybe by Q2 2010, the prices for 4GB modules of DDR3 memory will have dropped significantly.
That would be utterly cool, but AMD wont do this again. They tried with Quad FX, but they failed miserably. Dual socket system cost too much to make for the gain you get in gaming and professionals have no need for a game oriented system. They already use dual socket F+ motherboard with opterons and they can run multiple card for rendering in their system without the need for a SLI or Crossfire sticker on it.
BTW nothing is stopping you to buy a Tyan board with dual socket (like http://www.tyan.com/product_SKU_sp [...] 600000130) equip it with two 4890 graphic card and pwn n00bs using your uber costy rig that work the same a i7 would have done for the same price
The Only advantadge is my Seti@home. The rest ? Well, things arent yet optimized for Quad-core, much less for six, eight or twelve.
Anyway, i won't replace my 955 BE for this one.
Depending on price I may replace my Phenom 9850 for this one, simply because I do a lot of 3d rendering on that machine. I've got a Phenom II X4 in my gaming rig that I won't replace for a 6 core, I would loose performance dropping to the lower clock speeds.
People shouldn't say "Barely any apps", they should say "Barely any apps THAT I CARE ABOUT". Plenty of apps could use 6 cores today, but people on here think that games are the only apps out there. I would've bought this if it were out when I built my PhenomII 940BE, although I'm currently not running out of CPU power(audio production), so it's a matter of how much overkill, but I could definitely use all 6 cores today...
I am confused on the release of this six-core CPU.
Is it Q4 2009, Q1 2010, or Q2 2010?
We are all waiting for apps to catch up to quad cores. Hexa cores are a great innovation but too soon to be utilized. They should focus on perfecting the quads for now IMO.
well with this cpu and the core i9 coming next year, it going to be a nice war between the 2. glad to see These 2 cpus coming around in the same time frame.
Get a working DIE out and lets see the benchmark result. Until then this another marketing ploy from AMD that end up pure HOT-AIR...
The first Single-DIE Quad Core was a total failure...Here we go again...Promising 6 Core!!!
"soon launch" -> "is set for release sometime next year" -> rrright...
You can't have dual AM3 socket motherboard. AM3 socket is not built for multi-CPU. AM3 has no provision for CPU-to-CPU communication like Socket F has. I am not sure about how to use six cores. Maybe as X Window server for general home computing?
RENOISE 2.1 can utilize multiple cores. Also, now FL Studio 9.0 and many other applications can take advantage of having those cores. Why not have them?
Is it Thuban, Thubon, or Thurbon? Because all three are used in the article.
Well this isn't a surprise to most of us, good for AMD. I hope they sell these things.
remember that directx11 will be made to use whatever cores are available much more readily that is why amd is jumping up their core count to release this year or early next year with 6 core 2.6-3.4 ghz range to compete heavily with the I series in windows 7
Good. AMD needed to do something. With DX11 coming around, and the i7s getting more popular, I'm pretty sure we'll start seeing games that benefit from more than 4 available threads. Even so it will probably take at least 6 months before games are out that show a significant benefit with having 6 cores over 4. At least it will help AMD narrow the gap in some of the multithreaded media applications where the hyper threaded i7 blows it away.