Mac OS X's Creator Leaves Apple for Science

Is this like AMD?

"Serlet joined Apple in 1997, and has been involved in the definition, development and creation of Mac OS X, the world’s most advanced operating system. Before joining App..." Ahahaha
"the world’s most advanced operating system" Ahaahahah

Oh well,I suppose Bertrand Serlet & Steve Jobs both need a well deserved break...Whether or not they really need one is another thing...

I wonder is this coincidence or is it a well planned idea of apple's that both steve jobs & bertrand serlet are either taking off time or have left the company for some period of time...

"Serlet joined Apple in 1997, and has been involved in the definition, development and creation of Mac OS X, the world’s most advanced operating system."

LOL

Wait for the fanbois to appear in 3....2....1....Enjoy!

Sounds like something straight out of this Mac support book I used in a class I took. Every sentence not telling you what to do or how something worked was a sentence telling you how great OS X, Mac hardware, and Chairman Jobs are.

focus on Science?
Programming for OS X is very alien, like straight out of Science Fiction.

Aionism- Yes if I remember right- Mao Zedong was also called Chairman. Yes so advanced you can't run half of the stuff on the software market on it. I have yet to hear an Apple fan give me one legitimate reason on how Apple's OSX is more advanced than Windows 7 besides annoying opinionated answers like "its movie editing is better" give me one thing that OSX has that Windows does not and why it would make the operating system more advanced and I might actually give some credit to OSX even though the OS itself isn't even made from scratch but simply based off of Unix.

I never knew the guy who wrote BSD worked for Apple?

If OS X is the most advanced OS in the world, why can it only run on specific hardware and Windows (any version) can run on anything in the world that is made of silicon, gallium arsenide, or germanium? Even Linux can run on more hardware than OS X can and it’s free.
If OS X is the most advanced OS in the world, why is Windows able to run on the latest and greatest hardware in the world before it is even commercially available and OS X fanboys can’t have the latest hardware in their Macs until 18 months after it has been released and everyone with a real computer has already moved on to the next great thing?

Don't be childish. Only a small fraction of Mac OS X is old BSD code.

Every company believes that their product is the best. Allot of it is opinion. I can tell you personally, I have a Windows 7 system that I built and I only use it for Gaming a and a few other things that require Windows. So it is great for me on that. OSX I use for everything else. I am a security engineer by trade so it basically gave me the stability of unix, the compatibility with allot of open source applications either through darwin ports or through my own code compilation so I had access to tons of network and security tools and I have a fantastic multitasking gui interface that allowed me to yes productivity applications like office. Can i say one is better than the other..... absolutely, but it depends on the use. Can anyone say one is more advanced than the other...no because I did not write the code to tell you for a fact. I can tell you that based on my use, it is not that it is massively better than Windows but what it does do better than windows is significant. You see, Apple is a engineering company, they pay attention to the little stuff and there are tons of little things that they nail.

I can tell you for a fact, the system does not slow down over time, does not slow down when loaded with applications, manages the disk much better, has better backup features, does not has the number of viruses available, is stable, has a much more efficient IP stack, has better built in parental control options, has better multitasking ability, has built in data encryption features, has better connection sharing features, has better system search capability, has a better filesystem, has ssh, scp, tcpdump built in. Closer adherence to RFC's (really due to it's unix underpinnings), handles multi threaded applications much better, much better memory management. I should go ahead and stop.

This basically again based on how I use the OS though. Someone else that is a more traditional user type might have less to compare against.

I read "worlds most advanced operating system"... and thought to my self this must be written by marcus... sure enough.

Fixed.

Sigh.. Time to correct some more ignorance.

@Cadder focus on Science?
Programming for OS X is very alien, like straight out of Science Fiction.
Really? Ever actually programed an OS X application?

...give me one thing that OSX has that Windows does not...
Unix under the hood. If you do not understand Unix because it doesn't play games you are lost. BTW I can run a shell script to check a laptop on the network to see how much battery life it has and maximum battery life. I can actually delete an entire program with out it leaving muck in the highly antiquated registry.

...Windows (any version) can run on anything in the world that is made of silicon...
Hyperbole much? There are numerous processors that Windows does not run on stating any version will run on anything is simply ludicrous. Windows runs on exactly the hardware Microsoft wants it to run on. OS X runs on what Apple wants it to run on. Apple is simply more selective.

The greatest hardware in the world does not use Windows, unless of course by greatest you mean gaming whatever in which case your definition of greatest is childish at best.


...Mac OS X, the world’s most locked-down operating system
Fixed. ...

Do this go into your system folder and see what MS does not allow you to play with. Try telling an application what DLL (library) you want it to use then tell me what OS is "locked down".

macfag

Don't be a tool. It runs on specific hardware because Apple doesn't want to invest the time and effort to develop driver for every piece of hardware out there. It's called making $$$. That's why Apple is rolling in it and all the PC makers are running on razor thin margins.

That being said, Mac OS X, runs just fine on my Q9500 black box (it's not a Mac but because the hardware is very similar to what is officially supported by Apple, it runs beautifully).

I own a Mac and a PC and I program on both, which is why I know how they compare.



I think Unix would be good punishment for my worst enemy. I spent my time as a Unix system administrator. Working on PC's was like going from a horse and buggy to a race car.

Nice work slipping that on in there Marcus. Can't help yourself can you? LOL.

Please, a Q9500??? That’s an archaic POS!!! A single core of my O.C.’d Phenom 2 X6 can run circles around all four of your cores, especially since your POS Mac won’t let you overclock. Oh, and why won’t it let you overclock? Cuz it doesn’t have a BIOS. And why doesn’t it have a BIOS? Because steve jobs knows that 90% of his customers are morons whom he has to tell that they are “holding their iPhone wrong” and they’d F their Mac up 5 times a day if it had a BIOS and Apple tech support is busy enough trying to help all those “I’m gunna buy a Mercedes for 5X the price of a Honda cuz it looks like it is better” mentality type people who buy Macs. (that would be the $$$ you mentioned that Apple is making by robbing people stupid enough to think big price tag always means better, even though all the parts inside are the cheapest crap Apple could get contracts for; Seagate hard drives, foxconn MBs, …I can’t count how many complaints I have heard from Mac owners about their hard drives dying and their “super drives” dying – only Apple would call a DVD drive a “super drive” and only because their customers are the only ones that would fall for that… and yet you said that Apple is an “engineering” company that pays attention to the little details… Apple hires artists when they should hire engineers, hence the pretty, glossy, exteriors concealing crappy “super drives” that are bound to fail 10X more often than a normal DVD drive from newegg for $19)
Windows doesn’t run on the best hardware in the world? I’d say an AMD HD 6990 is about the best piece of hardware that most people can afford and if you use openCL with C# you have a super computer sitting on your desk for about $2,000… (instead of spending $2,000 for your POS MacBook that didn’t even have a Core i7 option until what, a month ago?) You will never be able to get an HD 6990 for your POS Mac and even if you could (18 months from now) Apple would charge you $1,200 to add that to your Mac Pro configuration since most people who don’t know how to hold their iPhone correctly would not know how to newegg. Apple is a joke, just like Mercedes is a joke, just like…

@ pcCodinFoo
The word 'fanboy' has been thrown around a lot lately. For your next post, can you please include some evidence for your claims?

Yours truly,
The guy who has a merc and a windows rig.

OS X is a joke.

USB drives. When will Apple work out if might want to be compatible with USB drives that had been previously in a windows machine. Only read access.

Clap clap.

SMB support, where are you? Ohhh thats right, they didn't follow the standard. In certain situations you will only get read only root level access to the SMB share. Still broken in 10.6.6. Go read further into it if you wish

Printer drivers, some drivers do not allow users to switch from color to mono. Poor support for top end xerox printers.

If you can't even get the basic's right then you have no right calling yourself advanced anything. OS x please die now

if OSX can run on a non-Mac generic PC and made free or priced reasonably, i might give it a try. yup, wishful thinking.

ehh .. world's most advanced ... that's one bold statement from a company that just redressed a linux and took away all that was smart about it...

if removing and disabling features is what qualifies as advanced, then Lada's the most advanced car maker!

Uh bro, he said he has a Hackintosh. That is just what he uses as a processor. Does not mean he could not use something better. Seriously dude, you act like someone is offending your mother or something. Calm down, it really is not that serious. This is tech talk.

First of all, I am going to pretend that you are not that stupid to think that a Mac does not have a Bios. Guess what, it is called EFI bios and just so happens to be developed by Intel as the next generation BIOS which has been used in server hardware from Intel and HP since 2000 when the Itanium processors where first introduced. You talk about overclocking, well it is clear what kind of user you are. PC enthusiast that wants to be able to do that so you bought what allows you to have that control. Try calling your Mobo support organization and see if you can get support when you have a problem with your system and you tell them that you are overclock and see how long that call lasts. I used to build overclocking machines and although the boards market the fact that they can do it and put in tech for it none of them would provide any support if you did it.
Since you clearly are a PC "fanboy" the substantiate your clams that of the failure rate of Superdrives. Wrong, in the 4 Macs that I have had, not 1 failure, guess what, my workstation that I built using a Asus board, quad core CPU, Pioneer DVDRW drive, Corsair memory, Silverstonetek PSU, Rapter Drives as of right now and as I type this does not recognize the DVD/RW drive in the bios. Device failures happen, it is what it is.

Oh by the way, the i7 has been available for the Macbook Pro 15.4 incher and the 17 incher since the i7 came out. The two cheaper models came with the i5.

Oh also, you can put a ATI 6990 in a Mac Pro just fine. Just have to have the drivers for it but I can use it in Windows by using boot camp for when I need to game since that is the only reason to have that monster of a card.

Bottom line bro, you should relax. I bet your veins are popping out of your head when you wrote that.

uh, you can.. Just not supported. Do a search on google for Hackintosh. Oh and OS X Snow Leopard cost 29 bucks on Amazon and Apples website.

http://www.amazon.com/Mac-version- [...] 638&sr=8-2

Does that make your wish come true and does that mean you are going to give it a try........probably not.

By the way it is 64 bit and it has feature parity with Windows 7 Ultimate which is $274.00.

Those artists that work for apple that you call “engineers”; if they were engineers they would have been able to figure out why the day light savings logic in iOS doesn’t work in the time it takes for two actual day light savings switches to occur. So, does the fact that iOS is still an hour ahead of the rest of the world mean that iOS is the most “advanced” mobile OS there is?
No real “engineer” would think a solid aluminum casing was a good idea for the MacBook Pro or the non-removable battery. No real “engineer” sacrifices engineering wisdom in favor of artistic touch even if the almighty steve jobs asks for it himself.


Those artists that work for apple that you call “engineers”; if they were engineers they would have been able to figure out why the day light savings logic in iOS doesn’t work in the time it takes for two actual day light savings switches to occur. So, does the fact that iOS is still an hour ahead of the rest of the world mean that iOS is the most “advanced” mobile OS there is?
No real “engineer” would think a solid aluminum casing was a good idea for the MacBook Pro or the consequent non-removable battery. No real “engineer” sacrifices engineering wisdom in favor of artistic touch even if the almighty steve jobs asks for it himself.

Lol did you really just say that.... seriously. First of all, NTFS which is the filesystem that Windows has been using since uhhhh NT is Windows proprietary and other OS's not just OSX can not write to it when plugged directly in via a USB drive. It has to be formated FAT32 which is supported by everyone. Your statement is like saying Juniper routers suck because they don't support Cisco's proprietary EIGRP routing protocol.

SMB support works just fine, I transfer documents back and forth to my PC from my Macbook pro over the network all the time. Just just click on finder it wala, shows up on the left side or you can click go, connect to server, then type smb://youripaddress and hit enter and what do you know, all your SMB shares are right there.

Xerox and your top end printer manufactures all have robust driver development for Mac platform and has for years since allot of print shops and marketing shops use the Mac platform.

Look guy's, allot of these arguments that are getting posted are based on either complete ignorance of the platform your are comparing your beloved PC's or just not enough experience to know when to access the features your value.

It is perfectly fine to prefer one platform over the other but the level of hatred and ignorance and misinformation displayed by some people on this site is wayyyy out there. I just happen to enjoy Toms Hardware and love technology enough to respond to some of the craziness. I for the life of me do not understand how people can have a argument about something they have never used. Personally, I use both and like them both but I use them for different reasons and prefer overall to use my Mac for most tasks.

lol, why would an internal battery be a bad thing? Removes the need for connectors and the casing to house the battery. Means they can use a bigger battery. My 15.4 inch Macbook pro with a I am looking at right now and is not fully charge show that it has 9 hours and 15 minutes left for power. Don't remeber any HP/Dell/Alienware you name it getting that. Would you agree that it took some engineering to get that. Method to the madness bro, you might not like it but there is a reason for it.

Solid aluminum, lol your kidding right. Do you have a glass PC case? A steal one? Ahh, you must have a fully carbon fiber case? You actually prefer plastic over solid aluminum? The solid aluminum case sure looks great but I have seen people drop their laptop from several feet off the ground, hit a corner of it , put a huge and I mean huge dent, in it, open it up and keep working and just be pissed that they can't close it all the way because the aluminum was bent out of shape. The stuff looks great and it is sturdy. That is why. Took a few brain cells to figure that out.. Engineering you think?

It is clear that you have no idea what your talking about man. I am sorry but you have switched from OSX to IOS and now you are talking about hardware design and none of which you have any idea of how or why any of it works the way it does.

you know, some part of me agrees and some part disagrees. I mean, obviously since it's considered the most widely adopted distribution of BSD, why would any one claim that Apple wrote it? Clearly, BSD means berkley wrote it. If Apple had modified the BSD core significantly, it could no longer be called BSD.

But on the other hand, Apple has added millions of lines of code to it. But, most of those lines have been added in areas where there's debate on if it's actually part of the OS. I for one tend to think GUI programming isn't part of the OS, meaning that Apple has written very little of the actual operating system, but has added a lot of pretty paint to it. But then again, I also do a lot of embedded programming and don't consider myself an OS level programmer, though some would argue that I am doing OS level programming. But I think most can agree that gnome isn't part of the linux operating system, which could be used as basis of an agrument that GUIs aren't OS, thus leveraging that much of Apples work hasn't been in writting an OS.

And lastly, why is it that mac fanbois always talk about a unix core as a good thing? First, no OS today has a unix core. Unix is dead. It's been dead for a while. It's a good thing. If you don't believe me, do some reading about unix. I personally like a book that I'm wishing I could remember the name of. It was written by a guy who I met once through a co-worker, and the basis of the book was how he was personally held responsible for breaking unix. And it goes into the history of how long it took to make unix usable from a basic level. That being said, linux and bsd are unix clones, and have no unix core. It's a good thing.