Macs Finally Get Windows 7 Support in Boot Camp

No point in buying a Mac just to run Windows on it. Thats like buying an overpriced outdated pc because it looks cool.

I ask why Apple won't let me run osx virtually on my windows pc. Of course they worked hard to get 7 to work, how else are apple users going to be able to run the rest of the worlds software?

Believe it or not, some of the Apple fan boys are willing to pay that just to run over price Mac.

Now how about letting PC users run the Mac environment.

Well at least you can do something useful with the machine now.

Windows 7 installs on Macs without the need for Bootcamp. Try it.

Gotta love the mac hate. The drivers are now "officially" supported. I have been running win 7 with boot camp 3.0 since it came out without a hitch.

Yeah right!!! And monkeys will fly outta Steve Jobs butt!!!

I would be very interested to see how many Macs are actually run as Windows machines, a simple percentage. It would be an interesting comparison if the 4% of computers in the world that were Macs had the same 4% of their own machines running Windows...
Does anyone have any actual numbers available?

And what about Starter, Home Basic, Enterprise? Not all 3.

You PC fans are nieve. The Imac is far better than any PC on the market. It doesn't get Viruses or crash constantly like PC's do. Once you use them for accouple of weeks they actually are easier to use and make more sense than a PC. I was a PC fan for 15 years, but decided to give them a try and now that i have i will
never go back to a Microsoft driven computer.

[citation][nom]hakesterman[/nom]It doesn't get Viruses or crash constantly like PC's do./citation]
Is that so? Give me your IP address, and let's test that theory.

And let's see... the last time my CUSTOM BUILT computer with my SELF-INSTALLED OS crashed was before nVidia wrote proper drivers for 64-bit Vista, which was in no way, shape, or form a fault of the Windows operating system.

It's easy to make the Mac OS not crash by making it compatible with almost no hardware or software.

ok, and i believe half of the problems are because of PEBKAC (Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair)

i only have PC's (and got my GF to switch) and never got a virus or had system crashes that weren't my fault (OC'ing is most of them)

now also keep in mind that they use the same hardware, unless you like the Mac OSX there is no reason to buy a Mac anymore

No sir, I believe you are -naive- if you actually buy into Apple's bullshit marketing campaigns. One does not have security through obscurity. Just because it doesn't get viruses now, doesn't mean it can't.

By the way, an overwhelming majority of problems with Windows based computers are caused by both trojans and scareware, not "viruses". It's user error and stupidity. Says a lot about you if you have problems, doesn't it?

Oh, and my computer doesn't look like someone pissed on the bottom of the display. Have fun with your iMac.

The last time my PC crashed was 4 years ago, and that was a hardware issue... And Mac's do get viruses. Anyway, with a good anti-virus, viruses will be no problem. Windows computer + anti-virus = still a lot cheaper then a Mac...

I dont need mr. Jobs benediction to run any apps. If you still get viruses and problems with Windows and you owned a PC for the last 15 years, your computer skills must suck. You better stay in an overpriced controlled environment

Please stay off of the net before you hurt yourself.

hakseterman - I have no religious feelings about computers or the relevant OS's, but your kind of post is a classic example of ignorant foolishness. Windows machines simply do not "crash constantly" or get virus infections randomly or without user input/cause. I'm glad you like your Mac, but please think before you post this kind of drivel.

Will they still have drivers that cripple performance and battery life under Windows?

Wow, you appear to be very well informed. The last (and only) time I got a virus was 8 years ago when I tried to install a crack for a game. I fully deserved that virus because I was a dumb piece of shit. In fact, I kind of hope there will never be a Windows OS immune to all possible viruses, because that would let everyone stop exercising common sense.

Though there have been several POC viruses developed for Mac OS X, not a single one has ever been found in the wild. Trojans have appeared in limited numbers, but the only significant one found was embedded in a hacked copy of iLife '09 and iWork '09 distributed on illegal sharing sites (they got what they deserved fore stealing in my opinion).

Next, you CAN run AV on a Mac, it;s simply not required for anyone wh's even a tiny bit careful. Permission escalation is virtually impossible in a UNIX environment without user interaction, usually incolving typing a password (not simply clicking OK to a prompt), and even then Kernel access is still restricted. You have to a) get directed to a custom web site, b) have a known unpatched vuln, c) in most cases respond to a prompt, and even then all they gain is control at least until the sesion ends. installing apps is not possible through that interface, and the OS enforces app presence notification for all non-kernel apps and drivers, so even if you GOT a virus, it would have to show up in your active app tray! A bot? yes it;s possible, but only through a user actually manually installing an app that happens to already be infected. Don't get apps from illigitimate sources, and you can't get a bot, trojan, worm, or virus on OS X. Use AV on top, and you can't get viruses from media and general files either.

Security through Obscurity? no, its Security through hardening and best practice, and non-access to non-root users and services, and proper kernel level authentication, combined with memory sandboxing, app segregation, and coding rules that have to be followed to be allowed to run at all.

to those who say you can equally or better secure a PC with the right skills, i call BULLSHIT. I have a network here with 2,000+ IT staff, over 3,500 servers, several mainframes, and near a dozen other platforms. We are hardened to DOD standards and higher, using the latest OS and current patches, behind a 3 tier network architecture and strict permission structures, inline packet instection systems, firewalls, and a dozen apps that look for illicit activity, and we have whole teams of people who do nothing but lock systems down as their full time job, and scan them continually for vulns and infections (to the great compaint of app areas and customers), and we still get viruses, regularly, if not daily (and that's just the SERVERS). Penetration to a data set or user list? never once, but DMZ and edge servers are going down continually, and app servers are compromized on a regualr basis, and infected files are found in file system scans every time they're run.

zelannii try as you might what you just said fell on deaf PC Fan Boy ears. Not sure what all the whoopla is about I have been running Win7 Beta and RC since they came out on my MacMini. What this does for the most part is better drivers. Well even in the PC world Hardware companies are updating their drivers as new efficiencies or issues are discovered.

Thanks for allowing me to listen to "Now That's What I Call Bullshit vol. 12".

so you had problems using your computer in a windows environment? sorry it was too hard for you to use. stick with your mac moron.

lol. i agree. what a lying sack of shit!

first off, OS X officially supports more devices under Mac OS X than are listed on Microsoft's Windows Vista or Win 7 HCL. More than 70% of the devices on the market are supproted under OS X including virtually every camera, camcorder, webcam, printer, scanner, card reader, and nearly all USB devices in general, plus all ATI and nVidia cards using the universal binary, almost every network device on the market, most RAID controllers, and the list goes on. OS X can't be natively installed without EFI support in the motherboard (which is slowly gaining adoption thatnks to renewed pressure from intel), but it can be hacked onto most platforms, and is parrallel developed by Apple on not less than intel, AMD, IBM, ARM, and now PMI Semi hardware platforms. Rule is, if the code can't run on all their test platforms, it's not to be released...

Shit on a Mac runs, and runs well, and maintains it's performance over time, because Apple works it's ass off supporting ALL the platforms, not just one, even though they may only SELL one. (and what they sell, part ofr part, in 75% of cases is cheaper than the same machine from Dell, HP, Acer, toshiba, or Lenovo. Just try and even BUILD a 27" iMac clone (in ANY form factor) on NewEgg mathing or exceeding the screen, CPU (don;t forget VT support), Motherboard specs (don't forget than RAM speed and 16GB support!), HDD size and speed, Wireless N with 3X3 mimo, Video in/out, 5.1 digital audio in/out, and bluetooth. I'll let you skip the keyboard, mouse, webcam, speakers, IR port, and even the OS... I can't come within $150 of the Mac's price, and they throw in a $129 3 year waranty, including walk-in service (a year is free)

next, I put a Mac running 10.5 out there in a Pwn contest. No AV on it, root disabled (default), and only currently available patches. It did not fall (though my router did). My Win 7 machine, which has both WebRoot AS/AV as well as the latest corporate edition of EPO on it (including huristic scanning) has found 7 viruses ON IT in 4 months. The only thing that machine does is download my gmail messages to outlook (I don't read them there, it just archives them for me), it's a media server for the house through iTunes, and I play a couple MMOs on it. It's basically a naked machine, little or no other software, and it doesn't surf the web at all... it's behind not 1 but 2 firewalls! The viruses got IN and INSTALLED and were caught later after updates...

yup. BootCamp 3.1 greatly improved the touchpad response, lets Win 7 actually recognize the 9600GT chip, seems to have improved performance a tiny bit, an a couple of other small bug fixes and driver updates. I've had 7 on the mac since RC without any issues, but to play any games though it I had to add Parallels on top and run the game inside a VM (which actually works REALLY GOOD! better frame rates in a VM on a mac notebook than my PC using a faster CPU, more RAM, and an 8800GTX with the same Win 7 OS)

everyone is gunning for you when you're number 1. sit back and shut the hell up douche bag. your pwn test can lick the sack.

I've been running W7 in bootcamp for months, they just didn't have any officially sanctioned drivers out for it till now

Believe it or not, I'm sitting here with a $60+ million dollar IT budget, 11 data cetners, 16,000 employees, and more than 10 billion transactions processing quarterly. We have about 400 developers, 300 managers, about 200 hands on IT admins, about 80 tech support (call center) staff, 30 analysts, a dozen network folks, then there's teams for security, compliance, DR, documentation, project management, secretaries for various areas, and it goes on and on. and we're not the biggest IT shop in the state.... I'm not here to prove this to you, and really don't care, the point is, with a massive staff, multiple government compliance regulations to stick to, and the best systems engineers and architects, we still get PC viruses daily, and on rare occasion Suse gets on on a presentation sever, and we have never recorded a single Mac, AIX, SCO, Solaris, HP/UX, or Host virus.

zelannii, if you were following DoD standards, and still had these problems, then its time to disconnect the users from the internet. Seriously, who are you using as your AV service; Norton?

And the reason your other platforms don't get infected is because theres no reason to infect them. Of course, theres yearly competitions that create genuine breakthroughs, like the recent contest that created a new breach into Macs once a day for over a month...

Also, just because they may be a System Enginner doesn't mean they have a clue about what not to do on the internet; trust me, I know

Try to put a nice new video card in your new mac when it ages to breath new life.. OH YA YOU FUCKING CANT


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