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Adobe Responds to Battery Complaints

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Adobe's CTO tells Fast Company that Flash draining batteries is a "False argument to make"...

Yesterday, Fast Company interviewed Adobe CTO, Kevin Lynch, about earlier reports which revealed that a Macbook Air without Flash installed could save hours of battery life.

It seems as though after Steve Jobs denounced Flash, Adobe has been working hard to salvage and defend their name. With the introduction of Flash on Android phones and Flash-to-HTML5 conversion tools, Adobe has been doing pretty well for itself. Despite their successes, Adobe has come under heavy criticism over the past week which has finally prompted a response.

Lynch claims, "It's a false argument to make, of the power usage. When you're displaying content, any technology will use more power to display, versus not displaying content. If you used HTML5, for example, to display advertisements, that would use as much or more processing power than what Flash uses."

Although Lynch has a point here, it looks like his solution to the battery problem would be turning your display off. He continued to state that several studies have confirmed Flash's higher battery life and argued that HTML5 was much less reliable. Unfortunately for all of the battery concerned flash users, Lynch didn't discuss any sort of solution to the problem shown with the Macbook Air.

Regardless of all the criticism and the success of HTML5, Lynch was optimistic about Adobe's future. In response to a question about HTML5's success being good or bad news, Lynch stated, "No, that's good news for Adobe, We support HTML. We're making tools for HTML5. It's a great opportunity for us. Flash and HTML have co-existed, and they're going to continue to to co-exist."

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    AMW1011 , November 9, 2010 11:22 PM
    Quote:
    Although Lynch has a point here, it looks like his solution to the battery problem would be turning your display off. He continued to state that several studies have confirmed Flash's higher battery life and argued that HTML5 was much less reliable. Unfortunately for all of the battery concerned flash users, Lynch didn't discuss any sort of solution to the problem shown with the Macbook Air.


    Solution: Don't buy a Macbook Air.
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    drapple , November 9, 2010 11:34 PM
    News FLASH: "Cars use less petrol when you don't drive them"
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    drapple , November 10, 2010 12:23 AM
    freenameHe has a point.. The problem isn't really flash. The problem is that it's everywhere, with little ads displaying when you don't want them to and draining your battery life.I wonder if Adobe could release a mobile version of flash that doesn't actually run up a flash object until the user approves it.

    Use Flashblock plugin for Firefox. Just because advertisers abuse flash doesn't meean flash is bad. I only allow flash on websites that I give OK to run flash. Once HTML5 is established advertisers will abuse HTML5 and it may not be as easy to block as Flash is.

    Apple's real beef with Flash is that it directly competes with their App store business and they don't want the competition oh and flash practically killing QuickTime is probably another sore point.
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    AMW1011 , November 9, 2010 11:22 PM
    Quote:
    Although Lynch has a point here, it looks like his solution to the battery problem would be turning your display off. He continued to state that several studies have confirmed Flash's higher battery life and argued that HTML5 was much less reliable. Unfortunately for all of the battery concerned flash users, Lynch didn't discuss any sort of solution to the problem shown with the Macbook Air.


    Solution: Don't buy a Macbook Air.
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    drapple , November 9, 2010 11:34 PM
    News FLASH: "Cars use less petrol when you don't drive them"
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    bdcrlsn , November 9, 2010 11:58 PM
    I wonder that if Macromedia hadn't been bought out by Adobe, if Apple would still feel the same about Flash.
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    buddhav1 , November 9, 2010 11:59 PM
    This just in, no matter how spiffy your LED backlit display is, it'll still consume power.
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    nforce4max , November 10, 2010 12:05 AM
    Any thing that is a cpu hog on a mobile or laptop is going to be a battery sucker too not just flash -.-
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    freename , November 10, 2010 12:14 AM
    He has a point.. The problem isn't really flash. The problem is that it's everywhere, with little ads displaying when you don't want them to and draining your battery life.
    I wonder if Adobe could release a mobile version of flash that doesn't actually run up a flash object until the user approves it.
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    drapple , November 10, 2010 12:23 AM
    freenameHe has a point.. The problem isn't really flash. The problem is that it's everywhere, with little ads displaying when you don't want them to and draining your battery life.I wonder if Adobe could release a mobile version of flash that doesn't actually run up a flash object until the user approves it.

    Use Flashblock plugin for Firefox. Just because advertisers abuse flash doesn't meean flash is bad. I only allow flash on websites that I give OK to run flash. Once HTML5 is established advertisers will abuse HTML5 and it may not be as easy to block as Flash is.

    Apple's real beef with Flash is that it directly competes with their App store business and they don't want the competition oh and flash practically killing QuickTime is probably another sore point.
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    matt87_50 , November 10, 2010 12:24 AM
    yeah, a macbook air without an operating system installed could save hours of battery life too...

    (probably more useful for me too, me and OSX just don't work...)
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    dEAne , November 10, 2010 12:30 AM
    Well they should find another workaround.
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    matt87_50 , November 10, 2010 12:34 AM
    freenameHe has a point.. The problem isn't really flash. The problem is that it's everywhere, with little ads displaying when you don't want them to and draining your battery life.I wonder if Adobe could release a mobile version of flash that doesn't actually run up a flash object until the user approves it.


    good idea. advertisers might not like that though (less advert rev, less free content on the web).

    I think a better solution would be 'flash lite', give people an intensive to use it if they can (perhaps by implementing your above idea, but not for 'flash lite' content) then just make 'flash lite' stripped of all things advertisers don't need, that causes the bloat.

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    hellwig , November 10, 2010 12:45 AM
    In other news, the latest video games such as Call of Duty: Black Ops and Fallout: New Vegas also drain the new Macbook Air battery faster than without these games installed. Luckily though, you would first have to install Windows, clear enough space on the limited, non-upgradeable flash drive, and reduce quality settings to such an extent that you wouldn't really want to play the games anyway, not on your Macbook Air anyway.
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    mayne92 , November 10, 2010 1:17 AM
    freenameHe has a point.. The problem isn't really flash. The problem is that it's everywhere, with little ads displaying when you don't want them to and draining your battery life.I wonder if Adobe could release a mobile version of flash that doesn't actually run up a flash object until the user approves it.

    ...then block it. That's like saying that you "wished" that JavaScript would let you know beforehand when it would run...there are tools that do this...go find them...I have no problem blocking flash until I actually need it...
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    Pyroflea , November 10, 2010 2:03 AM
    drappleNews FLASH: "Cars use less petrol when you don't drive them"


    Since when!?
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    amster , November 10, 2010 2:13 AM
    playin video == playin video

    be it flash, ht5, mp4. Mov etc.

    videos will always consume power. No brainer
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    thrust2night , November 10, 2010 2:19 AM
    Quote:
    He has a point.. The problem isn't really flash. The problem is that it's everywhere, with little ads displaying when you don't want them to and draining your battery life.
    I wonder if Adobe could release a mobile version of flash that doesn't actually run up a flash object until the user approves it.


    I agree. By his logic I could say Quicktime drains battery life. Of course it does. You're watching movies. Anything you do that can consume more resources will drain the battery faster.
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    onyx_64 , November 10, 2010 2:26 AM
    I cant believe if anyone is seriously considering busting a thousand bucks to buy something that doesnt even have a DVD ROM!

    Are Netbooks a good Macbook-Air replacement?
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    randomizer , November 10, 2010 3:19 AM
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    Once HTML5 is established advertisers will abuse HTML5 and it may not be as easy to block as Flash is.

    It's still going to be third-party content, so ad blockers will work fine with it.
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    sailfish , November 10, 2010 4:45 AM
    This just in, Macbook Air without graphics browser could save hours of battery life.

    Solution:

    Lynx Lives!
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    IzzyCraft , November 10, 2010 6:16 AM
    randomizerIt's still going to be third-party content, so ad blockers will work fine with it.

    As long as it's not originally from the websites own address ie first-party content it will always be easy to block yup yup, anyways first thing i do when i use a browser is turn off the acceptance of 3rd party cookies, if google and ms didn't make money from tracking us this probably would have been the default.
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    eddieroolz , November 10, 2010 6:43 AM
    I'm not sure if they should be in denial about this. Everyone knows that Flash drains battery.

    Excessive Flash causes heavy CPU usage > CPU running at higher loads than usual > consumes more power > battery drains faster. Can't be simpler than that.

    Instead of being in denial they should be striving to make Flash better.
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