nice that this SIG can get things done in a timely and efficient manner... are you listening 802.11 SIG??????

Maybe Nvidia will finally release something better then the GTX295 when PCI-e 3.0 comes out.

They should take their time to do it right since 2.0 is nowhere close to saturation.

It'll be nice though... possibly running SLI configs on PCIe x4 links/lanes might be possible

Yep! Better do it well! Year 2010 seems to be interesting. We will see PCI-e 3.0, Win7 sp1, maybe finally the n version of wireles lan..., second genereation of DX11 cards, usb3. But nothing that you have to wait.

I think that it will be a while before network controllers and such need more than 4x PCI-E 2.0 lanes. I suppose it may make sense on the server side of things though.

Ya prolly good they are taking their time and not rushing it. This sounds like a responsible move on their part...quality assurance seems to be dead these days.

PCIe 3.0
SATA 6.0 Gbps
USB 3.0

enough reasons for me to wait before building my i7...
hope prices will go down while waiting.

on a second thought... maybe i'll buy and i7 then upgrade my motherboard later.

The best part about PCIe 3.0 is how much more you'll be able to do with just ONE PCIe lane. Think embedded systems, laptops, etc. where space is a premium. Fewer lanes necessary to do a job means fewer pins on chips, which makes the chips smaller, fewer traces on the motherboard, etc. And the power-savings they mention with PCIe 3.0 are obviously an advantage there as well.

The computer industry is such a pain, there is always something better around the corner it's all a matter of how much better.

New PCI-E standard, new USB standard, new SATA standard...New computer with none of these is just 7 days old. Ah, the computer industry.

This is probably a bit of a golden age of computing, with the semiconductor companies expressing doubts about being able to get below 20nm without quantum effects screwing it up, this progress may hit a wall soon... Although when I upgrade to my Phenom III 1060 BE 3.4ghz 12-core, socket AM4+, 22nm codename: "pwnville", I may finally have a truly future-proof computer...

And then optical circuits would be right around the corner :-P

Very minor correction: Since the spec is actually in GT/s (gigatransfers/second) and transfers are metric (not binary), the speed (presuming saturation of all 32 lanes) would therefore be 31.25 GT/s.

Whoops... correction to the correction: I meant 31.25 GiB/s

if you're going to wait and want intel they have an i9, specs are floating around the interwebs somwhere.

I remember reading about pci-e before it even came out, it was the first true parallelism on home pc's other than raid for your hdd's. I was pumped about it then, and it's seemed to revolutionize graphics power vs. dollars recently. Take that into consideration along with the fact that graphics cards on the market now kick the crap out of most of the games on the market and for around 100 bucks you can make the assumption that pci-e 3.0 isn't needed quite yet.
having said all of that i'd like to upgrade my machine now, but i think i might end up waiting for usb 3.0, sataIII and pci-e 3.0 since they all seem to be hitting the market around the same time time period. :-p

I HATE WAITING!

What is this, a delayfest today?

Exactly! Thanks for saving me some typing

I just wish that PCI hardware would be dead by than. I'm sick and tired of roaming through dozens of cards that are NOT PCIe (in any version) just to find an odd one from time to time that IS PCIe-based.

Graphics cards are only exceptions, but everything else is still mostly on old PCI bus.

To make it even worse, here are some numbers from local shopping-search which specializes in computer equipment:
- one Gbit ethernet card
- one eSATA controller (one port!!)
.. and I'm already on 60+$ hardware.

So while PCIe 3.0 is nothing but positive, never mind when it comes, if 95% of all add-in boards in 2010 will still be PCI cards - PCIe 3.0 won't be important

Even 1.1 is not saturated by a dual GPU solution such as a GTX295 or even a HD4890. They move so fast.

When PCIe 1.0 came out, AGP was still not fully tapped.

I guess that maybe it will be able to provide more full speed lanes or possibly increase bandwidth and make way for 3 GPUs per PCB......

How bout 6 Core Processors(mainstream)and SSDs lots and I5

There's never a point in waiting to build a computer. Just go spend however much you're willing to spend when you're willing to spend it. There's always something better comming out soon.

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PCIe is a great advance, but most peripherals do not need the extra speed it provides. I think that is why there are not many peripherals that have converted to PCIe, not to mention that there are development and commercialization costs that are likely not justified since the peripheral would not benefit from the increased speed of the PCIe bus.

[nom]cdillon[/nom]The best part about PCIe 3.0 is how much more you'll be able to do with just ONE PCIe lane. Think embedded systems, laptops, etc. where space is a premium. Fewer lanes necessary to do a job means fewer pins on chips, which makes the chips smaller, fewer traces on the motherboard, etc. And the power-savings they mention with PCIe 3.0 are obviously an advantage there as well.[/citation]

Yes, laptops and embedded systems could benefit from the increased throughput of a single-lane 3.0 PCIe spec. These are places where it might make a difference, especially with graphics.

To my point above, though, perhaps other peripherals are not available due to an "anomaly" in the thought process leading up to the actual peripheral. Many companies do things just because they can, not because they have a good reason to. In the case of peripherals that do not need the extra speed this might be a good thing that is keeping costs down for the time being, as well as such peripherals simply might not benefit from the speed.

When PCI was new, people scoffed at putting a sound card on the PCI bus simply because sound cards do not need the speed that the PCI bus affords. It took ISA quite a bit of time to completely disappear from the market. Eventually, sound cards converted to PCI; I imagine that that conversion was more likely driven by the pending death of the ISA bus rather than a sound card's need, or lack of need, of the speed of the PCI bus. Eventually, I imagine that PCI will also disappear from the market. As that time draws nearer, peripherals that do not need PCIe's increased speed will be forced to convert to PCIe. By then, however, the next advance will be on the market. :0

PCIe is not useful for low power systems (embedded, Soc, etc.) - SerDes is burning a lot of power unnecessarily...
OTOH, it's useful for PCB trace/pin number reduction, where you can afford the extra power consumption.

lol, is it backwards compatible with PCIe 1.1? (sorry, I have an 8600GT lying around waiting to be my PhysX card and I don't wanna trash it away)
Otherwise I have a 9500GT in my comp right now (which is PCIe 2.0)

The PCI-E 1.1 to PCI-E 2.0 compatibility is horrible. They should take their time and do it right.

Most of the time motherboard manufacturers don't even put PCI-E x16 on anything smaller than Micro-ATX.

What horrible delay, I NEED THIS NOW...not the end of '10Q2... What the heck.

this sucks big poopies

I agree with a lot that'a been said here, but I don't think enough attention is being given to potential SSD RAID setups that can easily be built onto motherboards to make laptops and mobile devices smaller.

It used to be I never saw my LAN saturated. Then those Fusion I/O cards and the OCZ cards come to town, and I'm standing there seriously pondering 10GiGE or at least quad port trunking. For the first time in a long time we have devices which, in their first generation, are totally shattering the things they replaced. It reminds me of running GL-Quake for the first time.

Combine this with all the awesome battery, OLED, solar and supercapacitor tech that is developing along side the awesome stuff people are doing with stem cells and advanced biology, and I think it's a pretty neat time to be alive. Cellular level healthcare is going to be cheap, effective, simple once they figure out the details, which, as usual, is the expensive part. In-Car tech is taking off too, but growing whole legs back is a real game changer for hoe people perceive risk and warfare.

Looking at where we've come in the last 109 years, technologically, it's foreseeable that, due to cellular immortality and nanotechnology, some people born even now might not face aging and death in the same way humans have dealt with it for the past 100k years or so. I think thats neat.

Botox and collagen are like using sledgehammers to build microprocessors. There will be much easier and controllable ways discovered to solve lots of issues, maybe basic AI tat can render a good Star Wars book into a real time movie version with your custom fantasy cast thrown in for fun, or a real AI (Which is just as scary as it is cool in the larger sense when you really get to thinking about the global effects that might have, including lightning fast technological development and complete control of DNA and RNA based life just as if it were playdough).

At first, were going to have all those "ethical" complainers, but as soon as they realize that someone is going to want to go colonize the Moon, Mars, Europa and beyond, I don't think they'll mind that there are some of us who actually enjoy watching history unfold, and being active in it.

So I think I'm going to go get a Eurocom Montebello as soon as they offer an Intel 34nm 160GB drive, cause I can dual boot that and use the ESATA for any additional space I might need, and they seem to be the only people willing to pair a 15.4 inch screen with a GTX 260M video card, because I don't want to lug around a 17" 13 pound brick that reaches 200c and requires it's own flux capacitor to boot. It's gotta balance on the chest while watching TV, with no elaborate setup and setting pillows on fire.

PS: No devices I can think of are going to actually use USB 3.0 for like 2 years, if that. Even thumbdrives are ESATA now in some cases.

My only issue is the nVidia 300 series rollout, so I can tell everyone that yes, it runs Crysis Warhead at max settings. If companies used the MXM spec as intended, and provided for the additional cooling or space a new card might need, and added a protocol to tell the system to clock down if needed, the age of the desktop might go away faster than people think.

Just rolling down engadget.com makes me smile...and cringe sometimes.