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Microsoft Confirms That ''Live'' is Dead

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"Windows Live" has always felt tacked on, and Microsoft is fixing that with the release of Windows 8.

In a long blog written by Windows Live group VP Chris Jones on Wednesday, the company's plans for the "Live" label are quite clear: it will be officially killed off once Windows 8 hits retail shelves (save for Xbox LIVE, of course) this fall. Windows Live Mail will simply be "Mail," Windows Live Messenger will be reduced to "Messaging," and so on. We actually already knew this was coming thanks to the Windows 8 Consumer Preview, but now we officially know why Microsoft is moving away from the weird "Live" labeling.

"Windows Live was first announced on November 1st, 2005, and in our press release we described it as 'a set of personal Internet services and software designed to bring together in one place all of the relationships, information and interests people care about most, with more safety and security features across their PC, devices and the Web,'" Jones writes. "Since that time, we’ve been hard at work building software and services that deliver that promise, a foundation that we could rely on as we designed new versions of Windows as well as other Microsoft products."

Jones states that the Windows Live services and apps have always felt "bolted on" because they were built on versions of Windows that were not designed to be connected to a cloud service for anything other than updates. Feedback has even indicated that this "add-on" impression created customer confusion that was fueled even more by the awkward "Windows Live" title -- nomenclature that has been used across both locally-installed and web-based tools. But with the release of Windows 8, Microsoft plans to eliminate the confusion, offering embedded apps and services without the "separate brand" titles.

"Windows 8 provides us with an opportunity to re-imagine our approach to services and software and to design them to be a seamless part of the Windows experience, accessible in Windows desktop apps, Windows Metro style apps, standard web browsers, and on mobile devices," he writes. "Today the expectation is that a modern device comes with services as well as apps for communication and sharing.  There is no 'separate brand' to think about or a separate service to install – it is all included when you turn on your PC for the first time."

"Microsoft account" will be the identity service for individuals who use Microsoft products and services. This will be used to access Windows 8, sign onto Xbox LIVE, browse the Windows 8 app store and more. The company will roll out the change in nomenclature from Windows Live ID to Microsoft account over the next several months across the entire product line. There are still some areas we continue to work on such as migrating your account (credit cards and purchase history) from one market (currency) to another if you’ve connected your account to services such as Xbox LIVE," Jones adds.

In the blog he goes on to state that Windows 8 uses cloud services to roam settings across the user's PCs so they can log in to a new PC and pick up right where they left off. Everyone also gets a SkyDrive account automatically for storing photos, documents, videos and more -- this is where the PC settings will be kept. He also added that the account can be linked with LinkedIn, Facebook, and Twitter, enabling those contacts to be added to the user's Windows 8 contact list.

For the full scoop, read the full blog here.

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    davewolfgang , May 3, 2012 1:39 AM
    Kill Metro and 8 might be "OK". ;-)
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    davewolfgang , May 3, 2012 2:25 AM
    Looks like a few here don't have the latest where you CAN'T DISABLE METRO.

    (And why would I want a 3rd party "program" to do something that's been part of Windows for decades. I don't have a touch screen, I don't want big huge blocks.)
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    phatboe , May 3, 2012 2:22 AM
    stingstangIt's like everyone is talking about windows 8 in the sense that they already have it. How the hell does everyone have 8 before it's out?In other news, look at that nice shiny start button in the picture! I totally remember hearing that was going to be taken out.

    Maybe cause they are running the beta...
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  • 29 Hide
    davewolfgang , May 3, 2012 1:39 AM
    Kill Metro and 8 might be "OK". ;-)
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    Anonymous , May 3, 2012 1:48 AM
    oh my. I hope they will still keep all my game save there for the next 10 years.
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    Marfig , May 3, 2012 1:57 AM
    Seems like going back to the the past. Most of these services used to be called by their respective names before the "Live" moniker go introduced... and now removed.

    Clearly a mistake they did with "Live". But I confess my confusion as to why exactly is that so. Neither this article or the blog post got me to understand what was so wrong about "Live". If anything there were some products or services that should have never got the moniker. But from there to decide to kill the word entirely, seems a stretch.

    It would be easier to understand if Microsoft just said they wanted to remove the word "Live" because being Windows 8 entirely a cloud experience, they would have to name "Live" a whole bunch of things.
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    dalethepcman , May 3, 2012 2:12 AM
    davewolfgangKill Metro and 8 might be "OK". ;-)

    Windows 8 is far superior to Windows 7, just because you don't like metro doesn't mean you shouldn't give it a shot. That's like buying an XP machine because you don't like internet explorer 8. No one is forcing you to use metro on Win8, try typing "Disable metro" into google.

    Metro is made for touch devices, it works great on my touch device, but only when touch is the only input available. When I use a mouse, I simply click my registry key to disable metro. Embrace change if you like IT, because the field moves fast.

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    cheepstuff , May 3, 2012 2:12 AM
    Quote:
    "Microsoft account" will be the identity service for individuals who use Microsoft products and services. This will be used to access Windows 8, sign onto Xbox LIVE, browse the Windows 8 app store and more. The company will roll out the change in nomenclature from Windows Live ID to Microsoft account over the next several months across the entire product line. There are still some areas we continue to work on such as migrating your account (credit cards and purchase history) from one market (currency) to another if you’ve connected your account to services such as Xbox LIVE," Jones adds.


    I am sorry to be picky, but this paragraph doesn't make sense. Should there be an open quote in "... entire product line. There are still..." between the period and "There"?
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    existencenow , May 3, 2012 2:13 AM
    Everyone complaining so hard about metro really needs to take into account that ONE touch to the WINDOWS key on a keyboard. and your right back to your desktop. stop trying so hard trolls. All metro has done was emulate a multi-monitor setup within the interface.
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    phatboe , May 3, 2012 2:22 AM
    stingstangIt's like everyone is talking about windows 8 in the sense that they already have it. How the hell does everyone have 8 before it's out?In other news, look at that nice shiny start button in the picture! I totally remember hearing that was going to be taken out.

    Maybe cause they are running the beta...
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    davewolfgang , May 3, 2012 2:25 AM
    Looks like a few here don't have the latest where you CAN'T DISABLE METRO.

    (And why would I want a 3rd party "program" to do something that's been part of Windows for decades. I don't have a touch screen, I don't want big huge blocks.)
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    spasmolytic46 , May 3, 2012 2:28 AM
    Translation

    MS: we track everything you do and everywhere you as soon as you login. We don't need cookies, we got your whole damn machine.
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    guardianangel42 , May 3, 2012 2:39 AM
    dalethepcmanWindows 8 is far superior to Windows 7, just because you don't like metro doesn't mean you shouldn't give it a shot. That's like buying an XP machine because you don't like internet explorer 8. No one is forcing you to use metro on Win8, try typing "Disable metro" into google.Metro is made for touch devices, it works great on my touch device, but only when touch is the only input available. When I use a mouse, I simply click my registry key to disable metro. Embrace change if you like IT, because the field moves fast.



    Yeah, that hack doesn't work on the consumer preview. Regular joes like us don't actually have the option to disable metro at all. Which means hovering out mouse over the bottom left and right corners to do anything, which is cluncky, unresponsive, and unecessary.

    Regular joes like us also don't have tablets we can install the x86 Consumer Preview on as those cost quite a lot for very little practical purpose (until now it seems).

    I'm not dogging Windows 8 here, there are a lot of features I like about it. Increased resource efficiency, new file system, and IE10 with predictive text and error notification among them. But as it is right now for those of us whose version removed that registry hack, Windows 8 is not an improvement over 7.

    Whether Microsoft will allow consumers to disable Metro in the final release is going to determine whether the OS is successful.
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    Anonymous , May 3, 2012 3:12 AM
    can I still use my Microsoft Passport to log in?
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    impreza , May 3, 2012 3:16 AM
    yay now pc game wont be infested with it, hopefully they use steamworks instead.
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    chumly , May 3, 2012 3:45 AM
    Someone beat me to it, so nevermind. Also want button to delete my posts.
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    killerclick , May 3, 2012 3:46 AM
    Metro can't be disabled (in the DP you could disable it through a registry hack but that's been "fixed" in the CP). That was a deliberate move by Microsoft, because they want to move everyone from the desktop to the new, closed system (Metro), and move them yesterday. Why? Well in the Metro ecosystem, all software needs to be downloaded from the Windows store, where Microsoft gets a 30% cut from sales, ad revenue from add-supported apps and they get to decide whether your app is allowed in the Windows store to begin with.

    "But Apple and Google are doing the same thing!"

    Yeah, but Apple and Google aren't messing with an established, dominant software platform that billions of people depend on.


    "But there is always the desktop mode!"

    The fact that Microsoft won't allow users to disable Metro makes it pretty clear that the desktop mode is moving to legacy-land, and fast. There probably won't be a desktop mode at all in Windows 9 or Windows 10, if Metro takes off.


    Windows 7 will be supported until at least 2020, giving Microsoft enough time to kick Steve Ballmer to the curb and do a proper job in integrating their mobile platform into their existing OS.
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    killerclick , May 3, 2012 3:48 AM
    chumlyIt astounds me that after all these years people still don't understand how to use google. Did it ever even occur to you to search for disabling the metro ui? If you did then maybe you would've found this:http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/w [...] -interface


    Page not found. And any article about disabling Metro UI that came out before the Consumer Preview is obsolete. The registry hack doesn't work any more.
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    SteelCity1981 , May 3, 2012 4:47 AM
    damn and i was hoping there would be a P.S. in this story that MS decided to kill metro and put back the start menu, before ti goes retail.
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    monsta , May 3, 2012 4:48 AM
    The problem MS faces with Live is that as soon as another company does something like myspace and facebook they will try and add something similar to Live and make it an all in one for MSN Messenger. It became bloated and lost its appeal. All the photo sharing and status updates in Live was a fail , it became cluttered and not user friendly anymore. I liked MSN Messenger as it was , a simple quick chat window with a list of friends and quick access to mail. It just got over bloated and stupid over time. I welcome the change again to go back to what it was , user friendly,simple and easy to use.
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    twelch82 , May 3, 2012 5:03 AM
    davewolfgangKill Metro and 8 might be "OK". ;-)


    I plussed you, but I don't really want it killed. It looks like a great 10-foot interface for my HTPC. I definitely don't want it on my desktop though. The idea of using it on the desktop reminds me of Packard Bell Explorer from the early 90s.
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    Wamphryi , May 3, 2012 5:03 AM
    We have experienced major changes before. There was Win 95 and then mass movement to NT technology upon the release of Win 2K coupled with DirectX 7 (ah that was a day). The move to Win 8 is probably the biggest since Win 95 hit the market.

    It is true that MS is the dominant force in the PC market. But it has to stay that way. It wont if it sticks to the model we are used too. The solutions that are coming with Win 8 and the rise of cloud computing are providing solutions that are desirable to the majority of PC owners. Ease of use across platforms and the retention and availability of data in a secure environment is the name of the game these days.

    We Gamers are the minority. Our Rigs are well beyond the mainstream users needs and budget. It wasn't that long ago every second message ragged on Win 7 and espoused the virtues of XP a ten year old operating system. When XP came out the message was stick to Win 2K to avoid Windows Activation if nothing else.

    Win 8 offers an OS that you can carry on a USB stick and use on any compatible PC. Sky Drive is now actually useful and Office is there in the cloud also. These are actually good concepts. The metro interface is actually usable and is really a souped up version of the Win 7 start button. Icons sit on the desktop just as they always have.
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