Google and Apple CEOs Talking Over Patent Issues

Reuters has learned that Google CEO Larry Page and Apple CEO Tim Cook are conducting behind-the-scenes talks about numerous intellectual property matters including those at the center of ongoing patent disputes between the two companies. The talks began last week via phone and will resume in the coming weeks. Meanwhile, discussions involving lower-level executives are ongoing.

The news arrives after a jury awarded Apple $1.05 billion in damages last Friday, finding that Samsung had indeed violated several of Apple's patents on numerous Android-based devices. Cook always said the battle wasn't about attacking Android as Steve Jobs previously vowed, but to protect Apple's properties. But now there's a fear that last week's ruling has set the stage for additional lawsuits against other Android device makers.

"The court of appeals will review both infringement and the validity of the patent claims," Google said regarding to the Apple-Samsung verdict. "Most of these don’t relate to the core Android operating system, and several are being re-examined by the US Patent Office. The mobile industry is moving fast and all players -- including newcomers -- are building upon ideas that have been around for decades. We work with our partners to give consumers innovative and affordable products, and we don’t want anything to limit that."

Yet Google and Apple are now discussing infringement issues in private. One source claims that a possible scenario currently being considered by the two parties could be an actual truce involving disputes over basic Android features and functions. However it's currently unclear if the two CEOs are discussing a broad settlement covering various disputes, or are focused on a more limited set of issues.

Google and Apple have seemingly parted ways like bitter friends after Android began to dominate the mobile market. Just recently Apple revealed its own mobile mapping service, eliminating Google Maps from iOS and Mac. The company has also removed YouTube as a pre-installed app for future version of the iPhone. The late Steve Jobs even called Android a "stolen product" and vowed to take down the popular mobile OS.

With an Android victory under Apple's belt, Google may be thinking twice about the possible similarities between its open-source OS and Apple's iOS, or rather, what OEMs do with the stock Android OS once it's licensed. The utility patent features claimed by Apple may not have anything to do with Google -- they were features added by Samsung -- but the search engine giant may need to insert specific licensing rules pertaining to Apple's patents if they're not included already. The stock Android OS does not violate Apple's patents.

Yet with the door now wide open for future lawsuits, Google itself may be at risk from lawsuits filed against it by partner OEMs if the differences aren't ironed out with Apple soon. "Theoretically [Samsung] could hold Google responsible for all of the harm that Android allegedly causes to Apple, but it's a much more difficult story to tell to a judge and, especially, a jury," noted Florian Mueller, a patent attorney. "It's also more difficult to get an injunction against someone who doesn't compete with you directly, only indirectly."

Reuters said a meeting between the two CEOs was scheduled for this Friday, but had been delayed for reasons that were unclear.

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  • samkl
    If Apple purchases quadlook.com search, makes it their default search instead of google, then it's the death sentence for Google.
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  • azraa
    Excuse me if this sounds basic and all but... taking out Youtube and GMaps as preinstalled apps in the iPhone sounds like butthurt from Apple. A bad one. When you cant compete, you try to blind your customer base of competitor products? Seems like a cowardly way to say 'we can't keep up as fast as other companies do'

    On the other hand, and AFAIK, the Android and iOS kernels are waaay different. Some things are shared though, but the likes of app stores and all that stuff. Basic, unpatentable stuff. The article reads 'features and functions', but can we really patent that kind of stuff? So I dont really see why would Apple and Google be starting law action based on their OSs. If someone does, please explain.
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  • A Bad Day
    azraaThe article reads 'features and functions', but can we really patent that kind of stuff?
    Apple has a patent on touchscreen buttons' shapes, and I do believe also a patent on having a border between the screen and the edge of the phone.
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  • samkl
    Jobs said that Android is a "copied product". I assume it's a pure emotional rift. Like MS copied Apple by creating a GUI based OS.

    On another hand, even AllThingsD reported that users are bailing YouTube and Google is loosing actual users. For example:
    - Apple exclusively locked "social" integration with Twitter and Facebook = Google is out
    - Apple cut them out from "maps" already = Google is out
    - Apple cut YouTube app = Google is out
    Google's last bastion inside of Apple eco-system is search
    - What's next? Apple integrates Bing or better the user-experience driven search like Quadlook = Google is out

    It's the battle eco-systems driven by user experience. What do you think?

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  • nuvon
    Hopefully they would settle this privately. I hate to feed GREEDY laywers....
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  • -Fran-
    Was about time they start talking this thing out...

    Something is very wrong in your company when your legal dept. is taking as much as your R&D dept. in terms of budget. That means, in other words, you'll stop playing the innovation game in the long run.

    Glad they're doing this. Hope something good for everyone comes out of this.

    Mr. Cook and Mr. Page, we're all in your hands now. Play for the bigger good.

    Cheers!
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  • The CEO of Google, Eric Schmidt, used to sit on the board of Apple while they were in the process of developing iOS. What really has transpired there was anyone guess now. As expected, Samsung is merely the whipping boy in the Apple vs Samsung lawsuit. The real target has always been Google. But did Google really borrow ideas from iOS? Will Google just negotiate and close this case regardless of the truth? Or will Google and Apple go at each other throat and all Android gadget makers end up in the crossfire?

    http://articles.businessinsider.com/2010-07-12/tech/30043316_1_android-larry-page-smartphone

    I hope the California judge and jury realized now what they have done was not really to award victory in an American company vs foreign company lawsuit, but American company vs American company.

    Anyway, the market will always support at least two mobile OS, just like the market has been supporting two different major platform: PC and Apple for years. The question is who will have the most market share. If recent market share is any indication, there are more people opt for non-Apple products. So even if Android is no more, most likely a different alternative such as Windows OS will step in and fill the void. Apple should really concentrate on product features if they want a bigger market, instead of wasting time trying to tell the world they patent ridiculous idea such as round corner rectangle. PDA long before iPhone already have that shape.
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  • samkl
    samki_troll_failSamki: Trolling fail.Here's a snippet of the 'about' page from quadlook.com"QuadLook is a on-line search engine that aggregates results from the most credible sources like Google, Bing, Twitter, YouTube, WordPress, Wikipedia and news publishers to provide a holistic snapshot of relevant information in one place."Yeah, that's mind blowing stuff right there, aggregating Google's search with the inferior search engines, then including stuff like Wikipedia that would've been in Google's search results anyways, and Twitter that should never be in anyone's search results. Idiot.
    samki_troll_fail, please dont fall to name calling.
    QuadLook is hot with summer students in our university. They use it for research because it saves them time. If you don't care about twitter you need to open your eyes.
    Twitter helped to overthrow dictatorships in countries where people where held fist-tight for 40 years. And you still ignore twitter? Are you slipping under a rock?
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  • kinggremlin
    Jobs said that Android is a "copied product". I assume it's a pure emotional rift. Like Apple copied Xerox by creating a GUI based OS.

    Edited for factual accuracy.
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  • law shay
    samklJobs said that Android is a "copied product". I assume it's a pure emotional rift. Like MS copied Apple by creating a GUI based OS. On another hand, even AllThingsD reported that users are bailing YouTube and Google is loosing actual users. For example: - Apple exclusively locked "social" integration with Twitter and Facebook = Google is out- Apple cut them out from "maps" already = Google is out- Apple cut YouTube app = Google is outGoogle's last bastion inside of Apple eco-system is search- What's next? Apple integrates Bing or better the user-experience driven search like Quadlook = Google is outIt's the battle eco-systems driven by user experience. What do you think?
    I +1 your comment due to quality of your discussion.

    But I disagree your opinion. At least for me, I can't trade my choice of web-video-app, map-app and search provider with a cool UI (or ecosystem). No matter how good an ecosystem is, when it starts blocking me (prohibiting me from doing what I want) -- in other words, if a good ecosystem rob me my freedom, it is the day I leave that ecosystem.

    Say, Google starts to lock out Microsoft Skydrive from Android appstore -- and even if I don't use Skydrive actively, I'd be very very careful and pack my bags (i.e. get my data out and look for a competing ecosystem).

    Now, Apple is doing exactly that and I vowed not to use Apple products until they change.
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