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Opterons: 12-core in 2010, 16-core in 2011

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6:21 PM - April 23, 2009 by Kevin Parrish

Talk about KAPOW, Batman! AMD revealed that its plans a 12-core Opteron processor in 2010, and a 16-core Opteron in 2011

While celebrating the Opteron processor's sixth anniversary, AMD offered a "glimpse" into the company's server platform roadmap, announcing that it plans to launch the six-core Opteron Istanbu processor in June. Fitting into the same platform as current quad-core Opteron processors, Istanbul will offer a 30-percent performance increase while using the same thermal envelope.

However, the company also revealed a few "meatier" Opteron offerings, complete with 12-core and 16-core versions expected to ship in 2010 and 2011 respectively. AMD said that a shift in consumer value has pushed the high-end server market into offering performance, expandability, and virtualization through more cores and scalability, thus resulting in the processors set to hit the server market within the next two years.

In 2010, AMD will launch the Opteron 6000 series for 2P and 4P servers, debuting on the G34 socket with the Maranello platform.  The 6000 is geared towards performance and expandability, best suited for virtualization, databases, and HTC. Not only will the Opteron 6000 series be based on a 45nm 8-core (2 socket) and 12-core (4 socket) Magny-Cours run, but also offer 4 channels of U/RDDR-3, and up to 12 DIMMs per socket.

2010 will also bring along the Opteron 4000 series for the 1P and 2P server market, using the San Marino platform along with AMD's 45nm 4-core and 6-core Lisbon processor. AMD said that its 4000 series is ideal for power efficiency and value, geared for cloud computing, HPC, file and print sharing, and more. The San Marino platform utilizes the C32 socket, 2 channels of U/RDDR-3, and up to 4 DIMMs per socket.

As for 2011, AMD is expected to release two processors for both platforms. 32nm 12 and 16-core Interlagos processors will be available for the 6000 series, based on the "Bulldozer" core; it too will fit right in with the Maranello platform. Additionally, the 4000 series will also receive a CPU upgrade with the 32nm 6- and 8-core "Valencia" processor, fully compatible with the San Marino platform.

According to charts provided by AMD, the Interlagos16-core processor will nearly triple in floating point performance when compared to the Istanbul 6-core processor released in June; the Magny-Cours 12-core processor, released next year, will only offer double the performance. When compared to the quad core released in 2008, the Magny-Cours 12-core processor will more than double the integer performance; the "Interlagos" 16-core processor will triple the performance.

Still, despite the charts and all the boasting, seeing is believing, and we'll just have to wait until next year to see if charts and figures turn out to be real hands-on numbers. However, with all this processing power, desktop owners may feel left in the stone ages. Try not to worry: the Bulldozer processor will also fall into mainstream consumer's hands sometime in 2011 as well.

Source : Tom's Hardware US

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Anonymous 04/24/2009 12:50 PM
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Euh shouldn't the emphasis be on making programs and games actually use 4 cores instead of jumping to 16? Not to mention making everything 64 bit and optimizing it.

1raflo 04/24/2009 12:51 PM
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Wow just imagine the cpu muscle of 16 cores, encoding at light speed!!

Do i have to mention that this proc is not for gaming purposes?

Save for mostly encoding apps, theres nothing that really takes full advantage of my i7. So using a 16 for gaming would be a major overkil.

burnley14 04/24/2009 12:56 PM
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This will become much more exciting once more than a small handful of programs can utilize multiple cores.

B-Unit 04/24/2009 1:06 AM
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In the area these CPUs are being developed for, multithreading is not a problem...

thundercleese 04/24/2009 1:35 AM
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I use all eight cores of my dual AMD Opteron workstation for rendering 3d. So, yes, I do welcome even more cores.

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thundercleese 04/24/2009 1:51 AM
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curiousjoe :
lol, AMD soulcn't even make it's quad core run efficiently at lower power condition. Beside, of all software and OS out there, non of them utilize multi-core efficiently, and it may not for another few years.




Any decent rendering engine will use multi-cores efficiently. V-ray scales wonderfully as the core count goes up. As for OS's, I've had good results with Windows XP x64 and even better results with Windows Vista Ultimate 64bit SP1.

Cache 04/24/2009 2:09 AM
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The last time AMD rushed a processor to market, they brought out the Phenom. Let's hope they learned a lesson or two from that Jar-jar Binks disaster when they ambitiously go for this new roadmap.

blasko229 04/24/2009 2:25 AM
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I think its a bad idea to show your whole hand at the start of a poker match. This info seems to just give intel the heads up to counter with newer features/models. But I guess that benefits the consumer in a way at the end. Either way this just seems a marketing tactic to raise stocks quickly since what end user is really blown away by hearing 16 cores is coming in a few years. As the article said, seeing is believing and talk is cheap. Its like "We drew this picture of a flying car? You interested? Check back in 2050."

Btw, does anyone agree that the grey neutral comments on here are too light. Can anyone from toms fix that? Shouldn't it be positive is green txt, red negative, DARK gray or black for neutral? I've been just skipping grey ones.

djtronika 04/24/2009 3:08 AM
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guys, this is probably for servers not your custom gaming machine. by then vmware will probably have support for 16 cores. for now, with vsphere 4 it's atleast 8.

jsloan 04/24/2009 3:08 AM
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wow, that is amazing, one step closer to Cyberdyne and terminators!

sanchz 04/24/2009 4:00 AM
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I just hope this will mean Phenom III, FX or whatever 12 core CPUs to be released to the mainstream market.

thelvyn 04/24/2009 4:07 AM
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It guys are gonna love those, more cores at the same tdp and more memory for virtualizing more servers. I love how people always complain when server hardware is discussed how unsuitable it is. If they dont build these multicore cpus then the lazy developers will never learn how to code for them. Learning how to efficiently write multithreading code is our biggest problem at the moment, its HARD to do it properly. I hope your not seriously thinking we would be better off with the P4's at 6ghz now instead ? ugh. I for one welcome more cores, the more the merrier.

Curnel_D 04/24/2009 5:30 AM
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moonblood :
Euh shouldn't the emphasis be on making programs and games actually use 4 cores instead of jumping to 16? Not to mention making everything 64 bit and optimizing it.


What's this have to do with AMD making better hardware?

eklipz330 04/24/2009 5:41 AM
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but can it run four instances of crysis?

starryman 04/24/2009 6:03 AM
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I can tell someone is green or has no idea what a server and/or a workstation is and does when they are talking about playing video games on a 12 core or even a 4 core processor. I play video games on my "play" PC but in the commercial/industrial world where speed means money... 12 core is on the right path towards effective computing. Any web server serving out apps and any kind of OLAP surely benefits. The only thing I want squared up is the pricing of server licensing and core/cpu quantities.

In anycase it's all right at the beginning of the article and title... it's an Opteron processor. Opterons are dedicated for server / workstation environments so asking for video game comparisons is strange.

SpadeM 04/24/2009 8:07 AM
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moonblood :
Euh shouldn't the emphasis be on making programs and games actually use 4 cores instead of jumping to 16? Not to mention making everything 64 bit and optimizing it.


They are intended for the server market not the casual consumer.

neiroatopelcc 04/24/2009 10:53 AM
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moonblood :
Euh shouldn't the emphasis be on making programs and games actually use 4 cores instead of jumping to 16? Not to mention making everything 64 bit and optimizing it.


It's a server cpu .. it'd be great for anything requiring a lot of processing power. I'd imagine you'd find these in terminal servers and vmware hosts.

Gazz 04/24/2009 11:40 AM
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Thanks alot ha ha haaa now I can't get the image of Jaw-Jaw Binks numbing his toung out of my mind lol
Never the less is true if you keep rushing you will end up like Microsoft But they have a persentage rateing for how much boobs they can release in a package for other people to fix with service packs
apple seams to be picture perfect Intel is makeing sure they are I hope AMD/ATI do the same there is nothing worse then a rushed product with mistakes
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goryachev 04/24/2009 11:55 AM
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thundercleese :
I use all eight cores of my dual AMD Opteron workstation for rendering 3d. So, yes, I do welcome even more cores.


isn't rendering 3d is more applicable for a strong graphic card? Like quadro?

goryachev 04/24/2009 11:57 AM
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curiousjoe :
lol, AMD soulcn't even make it's quad core run efficiently at lower power condition. Beside, of all software and OS out there, non of them utilize multi-core efficiently, and it may not for another few years.


In the server market, the application must be multithreaded, and thus they utilize all the cores.
Note: this processor is not for consumer market.

goryachev 04/24/2009 12:00 PM
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jarqueroguine :
AMD has a habit, hype up what they couldn't deliver on time with purpose to jack up share price. AMD products always delay over delay delivered to store shelves. I think govt should regulate such practice for coporation to scam investors money.


Are you invested in AMD? :)

goryachev 04/24/2009 12:04 PM
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blasko229 :
I think its a bad idea to show your whole hand at the start of a poker match. This info seems to just give intel the heads up to counter with newer features/models.



Who said this are the only models to be manufactured? we don't know yet :)

neiroatopelcc 04/24/2009 12:06 PM
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goryachev :
isn't rendering 3d is more applicable for a strong graphic card? Like quadro?


Actually a lot of rendering is done in software modus. At least in many autodesk products. So a fast cpu is often better than a fast graphics card. The graphics card is crucial for realtime rendering (while working with whatever it is you do) but isn't always being utilized fully during rendering.

ohim 04/24/2009 12:13 PM
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goryachev :
isn't rendering 3d is more applicable for a strong graphic card? Like quadro?


you can`t run a car with only the engine or the gear box , you must have them bouth. hope this answered your question mark

elbert 04/24/2009 1:13 PM
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This is great news for servers. I'm just worried that AMD and Intel is handing over there PC market shares to a much more powerful dual core Via in the short future. A dual core taking full advantage of the 32nm node could easily shake up the industry. Gamers have seen little performance improvement since the core 2 duo back in 2006. Software infancy is being over looked by both these company's. I suggest they both look at a 8GHz dual core on the 32nm which can be transitioned to a quad on 22nm.

chunkymonster 04/24/2009 2:36 PM
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moonblood :
Euh shouldn't the emphasis be on making programs and games actually use 4 cores instead of jumping to 16? Not to mention making everything 64 bit and optimizing it.


Remember that Opterons are for the server market where more cores, more threads, and scalability is the emphasis. VM's love more cores. Heck with 1 quad core processore, you can have your email server, print server, NAS, and firewall all running in VM's in the same box; let alone what a datacenter or cloud could do with 12 and 16 cores.

zipzoomflyhigh 04/24/2009 2:57 PM
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I'm sure in 2011 there will be programs that utilize all the cores.

MustWarnOthers 04/24/2009 3:20 PM
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It definitely seems to be nowadays, more of a core-race than an architecture race.

Are these processors really going to be Next-gen, with more cores? Sure some of us on these boards use applications suited for multi-threading and multi-cores, but how about a new processor that just dominates the previous model, all around AND with a few more cores?

dark_lord69 04/24/2009 4:06 PM
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Is everyone excited to upgrade your server!! :) ... I didn't think so, The cost of these processors and the fact that they are made for servers makes this article unappealing to me. Tell me when these babies hit the desktop market.


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