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Microsoft Working on 128-bit Windows

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8:00 PM - October 9, 2009 by Marcus Yam

That's a lot of bits.

Just before the world receives Windows 7, there are already rumblings of a generation-after-next version of Windows that will come in a 128-bit flavor.

Eightforums spotted in Microsoft Senior Research & Development employee Robert Morgan's LinkedIn profile that he was working IA-128 for the next two generations of Windows.

The update to Morgan's profile, which has since been removed, read as follows:

"Robert Morgan is working to get IA-128 working backwards with full binary compatibility on the existing IA-64 instructions in the hardware simulation to work for Windows 8 and definitely Windows 9."

While progress is no surprise, especially since many expect that 64-bit will become the majority for Windows 7, it's somewhat of a revelation if 128-bit software will be available just one generation from now.

Stay tuned, as Morgan has agreed to a short Q&A with Eightforums. We'll be recapping the best bits for you as soon as they're available.

Source : Tom's Hardware US

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Anonymous 10/09/2009 7:45 PM
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tayb 10/09/2009 7:48 PM
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Oh man, 64 bit was considered the "holy grail" and that was all that we would need. No more limitations. 128 bit is crazy. I don't think it will be necessary or relevant really until Windows 9 or 10. 64-bit on the Windows side still doesn't see mass adoption because of all the older computers that aren't 64-bit capable.

I wonder how long until we see 128-bit processors? AMD64 was a hit and they've been underwhelming since then maybe they'll make a comeback with AMD128 lol.

supertrek32 10/09/2009 7:49 PM
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Will 128-bit be incompatible with 32-bit software the same way 64 is incompatible with 16? If so, it'll be a long time before this happens, considering 90% of software out right now is 32bit...

Jerky_san 10/09/2009 7:51 PM
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Great.. now we will have 128bit when barely anyone supports 64..

JN77 10/09/2009 7:51 PM
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So, 128 bit windows on a 128bit computer with 100 TB hard drive space, and 32 tb ram, with 512 core processor.... How would that affect the ability for me to edit 1080p HD video? in comparison with todays hardware....

JN77 10/09/2009 7:55 PM
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JN77 :
So, 128 bit windows on a 128bit computer with 100 TB hard drive space, and 32 tb ram, with 512 core processor.... How would that affect the ability for me to edit 1080p HD video? in comparison with todays hardware....




It would be nice to edit HD Video at double or quad speed (2x or 4x) edit 1 hour of HD video in 15 minutes..... I remember the days of doing that with video tapes... digital is so behind......

bmxmon 10/09/2009 7:57 PM
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It would probably still crash :P JK

hannibal 10/09/2009 7:59 PM
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hannibal 10/09/2009 8:04 PM
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In reality: There is never a thing like "Nobody needs more memory than xxx" "It's overkill" "When we have xxxxx We don't need faster computers"...
Maybe this mean that win8 is released "only" 64bit and 128bit versions?
"The old 32bit king is dead, Long live the new 64bit king!
Maybe?

bison88 10/09/2009 8:04 PM
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I don't think Windows 8 should have any 128 bit support at all. It may sound soon but we are speaking 2 generations ahead and given MS timescale of about 4 years or so for a complete upgrade OS that buys us at least 8 years from now. That is a long way away. Of course people look towards the "memory" factor when they weigh in 32 vs 64 but there are some other incentives that just aren't relevant right now mostly because people still don't want to make the switch even after 6 years and software developers don't want to focus just on 64 bit when the majority is still 32 bit. Its a stalemate and up to the consumers to get off there ass and move forward, can't always blame the developers and companies who want to progress and spend the money doing so. You as a consumer have to want it to happen.

That being said it will either be a flop or a success depending on who breaks the stalemate first. 128 bit is not neccessary for the consumer market IMO but for the corporations and the government it could become useful since they have there own teams designing software for there needs anyways.

Don't just think 128 bit will support 100 million googlillion gigabytes of ram. I am still waiting on 16GB sticks of ram like the rest of everyone now that I made the switch, not like much uses anything near that much anyways but still its nice to be ahead of the technology times for once and not worry about upgrading at least one peripheral every 3 months. I guess 8GB will have to do, until next time see you all when we are all running Windows 9. :)

izliecies 10/09/2009 8:05 PM
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What is the point of going higher than 64 bit?

Anonymous 10/09/2009 8:11 PM
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pbrigido 10/09/2009 8:11 PM
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I don't understand the negativity around this. We are finally getting software ahead of hardware when it comes to this.

To answer the question, "What is the point of going higher than 64 bit?" Let me respond with a rhetorical question. What is the point of going from 16 bit to 32 bit....or 32bit to 64 bit?

ssalim 10/09/2009 8:12 PM
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izliecies :
What is the point of going higher than 64 bit?



So they have stuff to do.

tpi2007 10/09/2009 8:14 PM
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If Microsoft is really working on a 128-bit version of Windows that brings up an even more interesting question: does that mean Intel and /or AMD is working on a 128-bit processor ? And what is the exact need for this ? Faster processing without the addition of more cores/higher frequency? I have an entry level Pentium E2140 on a secondary PC and Windows 7 Experience Index gives it a 4,3 when under Win 7 32-bit and jumps to 4,6 when under Win 7 64-bit.

the_krasno 10/09/2009 8:14 PM
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izliecies :
What is the point of going higher than 64 bit?




Amen! With 64 bit you can support up to 18,446,744,073,709,551,616 bytes of RAM. I don't see us hitting that anytime soon.

brett1042002 10/09/2009 8:17 PM
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pbrigido 10/09/2009 8:23 PM
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"With 64 bit you can support up to 18,446,744,073,709,551,616 bytes of RAM. I don't see us hitting that anytime soon."

True, but there is nothing wrong having software already prepared to handle new hardware once it is introduced into the market.

quantum mask 10/09/2009 8:28 PM
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Does anyone know off hand how much RAM 128 bit processors will support? I know that, depending on OS limitations, a 64 bit processor can address 16EB (exebytes) of memory. How much for 128 bit?

jasperjones 10/09/2009 8:30 PM
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jasperjones 10/09/2009 8:33 PM
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quantum mask :
Does anyone know off hand how much RAM 128 bit processors will support? I know that, depending on OS limitations, a 64 bit processor can address 16EB (exebytes) of memory. How much for 128 bit?



The square of 16 exbibytes. That's 340,282,366,920,938,463,463,374,607,431,768,211,456 bytes, btw

liquidsnake718 10/09/2009 8:36 PM
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hellwig 10/09/2009 8:36 PM
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They said IA-128, which means Itanium.

Windows has had a IA-64 version since the Itanium was released, back in 2003 well before the x64 "consumer" version was released in 2005 (Win 2003/Xp Pro x64). Therefore, unless you own an Itanium processor to begin with, this is no news.

Since only a select few research departments own Itaniums, none of us should care. When AMD creates the AMD128 architecture, which will then be re-marketed as x128 to ease Intel's eventual adoption, be sure Microsoft will create a consumer version based on that, until then, don't hold your breath.

Honis 10/09/2009 8:39 PM
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They are researching 128bit as it applies to future products. Ten years ago if you told me I'd have a PC with 8 GIGS of RAM I'd punched you in the face. Ten to fifteen years is the time frame they are planning for which is an incredible step for any business. Today I say in 15 years we as PC users wont need it, but servers are already running 64+ gigs of RAM. How much RAM will they be running in 5 years? 10 years?

Also, a lot of are thinking: higher bit = higher speed. The bits are referring to the size of the memory bus. The only time you'll see an improvement in speed is when you address a file/program that is larger than the old bus can address in the RAM. So you're speed boost comes from being able to use more RAM and access the page file less often.

So the actual thinking should be: Higher bit implies more RAM = higher speed (when working with large files)

I think Tom's did 32bit Vs. 64bit review a long time ago and the 32bit came out on top with most applications because there was less bus to calculate. I'd like to see an updated article for this since we can test 4gigs (32bit high speed) Vs. 8gigs (64bit high speed) and have programs that actually take advantage of the extra bus size.

VioMeTriX 10/09/2009 8:44 PM
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Belardo 10/09/2009 8:47 PM
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JasonAkkerman 10/09/2009 8:47 PM
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izliecies :
What is the point of going higher than 64 bit?



If I remember correctly the term 64 bit refers to the largest single piece of information the processor can handle. Inside the processor there are things called registers. You put a piece of data in these registers and then you can perform operations on them. An example would be putting the number 4 in the AX register, and the number 5 in the BX register and calling an ADD operation to get the answer placed in the CX register. Then you can do whatever you want to with the result in the CX register, such as move it into system memory.

That is the basic gist-of-it, I think. The need for larger registers comes from the need to use multiple operation on a single piece of data. An example would be working with a double precision float data type (64 bits of memory are required to work with this data type). On a 32 bit system the ability to add two doubles together would require multiple operations at the register level. On a 64 bit system it would only require one. Thus leading to smaller and faster code.

Of course there is also the need to address larger amounts of memory, but as you can see in other posts that is no longer a problem. This is an issue with register size because the memory address you are trying to access (read or write) must fit into a single cpu register. Thus the maximum addressable memory on a 32bit system 4GB, and 16EX on a 64bit system.

But like I say, "If I remember correctly". It have been years since school, and even longer since my assembly days on a C64.

industrial_zman 10/09/2009 8:49 PM
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first off, most of you guys are misunderstanding the basics of computer architecture. IA64 is not AMD64 aka x64. IA64 is the platform for Intel's Itanium RISC processors used in huge super computers and high end servers. IA128 I would assume would follow suite, which means Microsoft let the cat out of the bag before Intel's official announcement of the next generation Itanium. However, rumor had it that Sun's next generation OpenSparc/UltraSparc processors will be 128bit.

So to answer your questions, "NO, it will not run Crysis. It will not be a consumer level Windows." The purpose of having a bus that wide will significantly help database and other cloud applications.

jerreece 10/09/2009 8:51 PM
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jasperjones :
Merely two years ago, if you wanted to run a 64-bit OS, your best bet was Linux x86-64. 64-bit Windows Vista had driver issues. And not just with uncommon hardware. Of course, hardware support in XP Pro 64-bit is pretty bad, even today.So I'm glad to hear they're working on 128-bit now...



Yeah but nobody really supports XP directly anymore anyhow, considering Vista is around, and is now being replaced with Windows 7. Sure lots of people are stilling using XP, but it's not the current or future OS, therefore companies don't have as much reason to offer direct support for XP in new products (or even old products which they themselves don't support anymore).

hixbot 10/09/2009 8:53 PM
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