Physics Drivers Outrage: Nvidia Guilty?

Opinion - When we published an article detailing Nvidia’s advantage in 3DMark Vantage, we had a good feeling that data might spark some controversy. Using GPU for physics calculation in a CPU benchmark highly suspicious thing in any way you look at it. And in fact, it all appeared that Nvidia has been caught with its hands in a cookie jar. Finger-pointing was the result, but as it turns out, there are always two sides to the story and the benchmark maker has an entirely different opinion.

It isn’t like Nvidia and ATI have always played nice. And if you notice anything but the usual in this industry, you would suspect cheating, just like it is the case in this recent physics outrage, which came up since Nvidia is claiming a huge advantage in the 3D Mark Vantage physics test. Earlier this year Nvidia was involved in the highly controversial Creedgate, when Ubisoft found that its "The Way It’s Meant To Be Played" Assassin’s Creed title was faster on ATI cards. The company decided to remove DX10.1 support, since the game was not just slower, but also unstable on GeForce cards. The explanation following this controversy was received as being rather doubtful.

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  • swiftpulse
    While your conclusion holds true for games like UT3, still the issue of 3dmark remains an issue. I can't understand why "ATI partners" complain about UT3 but it's clear that 177.39 can inflate the CPU score of the 3dmark and produce misleading result.

    Of course as far as Futuremark is concerned, no cheating happened because the drivers were not authorized by them, and Nvidia can't be faulted to enable a feature on their product, no matter the timing. It falls to the press and publishers to take the 3dmark results and point out that the CPU score in 3dmark vantage will have little effect in games.

    The real benefits should be sought in games like UT3.

    My 2 cents anyway.
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  • techguy911
    Since when is using a gpu to increase the speed of math calculations cheating in bench marks? its not artificial its a REAL increase due to calculations being done faster in the gpu.

    The problem is ati is crying wolf because they didn't think of something like this first and don't have anything in the works.
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  • njalterio
    The reason why this is cheating is because the gpu is being used to assist the cpu when only the cpu is supposed to be tested. Whenever a system with an Nvidia graphics card using the controversial driver is tested, the cpu score will be higher then it's actual value.
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  • KITH
    I'm thinking the point is that you don't automatically get the cpu processing boost and graphics at the same. the difference between marketing claims and reality. it can do this and that but not both together necessarily.
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  • Christopher1
    KITH hits the nail on the head. The reason that this is such an absolute outrage is that in real life conditions..... physics processing and the other processing are going to be done AT THE SAME TIME.
    This is basically punking the software program and making it appear that a card is better than it actually is. Futuremark would do well to realize this, and do the physics tests and the other tests that cause the controversy AT THE SAME TIME from now on, so that there can be no punking of the tests.
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  • njalterio
    ^Exactly
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  • kaldemeo
    the problem is that nvidia owns PhysX.. I really hope the game industry in the future will choose a open standard and not PhysX
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  • xBruce88wXx
    ... on nVidia's site, the link you gave for the physx download, the "Products supported" tab only lists; GeForce GTX 280 GPUs, GeForce GTX 260 GPUs, GeForce 9800 GTX GPUs, and AGEIA PhysX Processor (All). It does not list any of the 8 series cards. Screenshot
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  • porksmuggler
    Hey Tom's you would be better off just presenting the official statements from each company. ATI and nVidia get an equal share in most the systems I build, and fanboy rants like Theo's really destroy this site's credibility (like the switch to Bestofmedia hasn't enough already). nVidia's intent is obviously to manipulate the benchmark, regardless of any discussion of real world performance.
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  • chesterman
    hey, i have a 8800gts320mb and i'd be rlly rlly happy if my card have the support to physx, but in the read me of physx driver and the neta 177.39 driver says that only the GeForce GTX 280 GPUs, GeForce GTX 260 GPUs and GeForce 9800 GTX GPUs supports the new feature. after all, my card have or dont have the support for physx?
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