Pitchford: People Love Duke; St. John: Clueless Critics

i am sure jon st. john is an expert on pc gaming and what makes a good game.

Silly Randy, you don't have to defend this game. Thanks be to unto Mr. Pitchford for actually bringing this out, but this is that fat moron's fault, not yours.

EFF YOU GEORGE BROUSSARD!

It was OK.... but for a such a long development.... what where they doing? the pre release videos showed the only fun/funny bits. the rest just fizzled plently of action. but way to little interaction and unique ideas, if you where in it for they character like me and his zinger qoutes i was dissapoint... despite the fact i missed most as they came during heavy sound moments so you couldnt hear them anyway.

Please Release a revamp pack/patch, i'll even pay more the idea of the game is good. need more gore, bullet damage specific to body part with random ragdol deaths or half deaths with more then a couple execution techniques. YES i love the idea of executing the injured.... but not the same way a thousand times!

My buddy has been playing it and...meh.

I don't think people who were disappointed were expecting MW2 or anything, but they were expecting something more than "meh." Look at where 10+ years of development got Starcraft 2... 2k Games could have done better than "meh." Of course I am sure all of the hype and expectation isn't helping. If it didn't completely blow people away it was bound to disappoint (kinda like U.S. presidents).

It's just a bunch of reviewers who have to be politically correct and sensitive to the feelings of a bunch of pussys. They can't take a joke anymore. Duke was fun because of its crude humor and shooting stuff, DNF delivers on that.

If you don't like the humor then its obviously not for you and the critics can go back to watching the paint dry in LA Noire.

As I think Duke himself would put it, "If you don't like it kiss my ass. Let's see what *you* got."

reference to the duke burger?

How could you screw this game up? Just doesn't make sense. Someone TOOK the game and looked at it like cash cow. Get it out they said! Get it out as fast as possible! This thing will be a monster! Yeah, ok.

It was obvious it was going to be mediocre at best, and that's exactly what it is really. The development time doesn't mean much since it was started from scratch several times during then. Gearbox basically took an unfinished game from the mid 2000's, polished it up into something presentable and let people finally play a game that's become near mythological during it's prolonged development, if you go in with that in mind and realistic expecations then it's worth a playthrough.

It's a shame they didn't just finish up the version they were making with id Tech 2 back in 2001 or whenever, rather than switching to the Unreal engine. From the trailers and footage it looks like it would have been pretty good for its time.

Did anybody else think NCAA basketball when they clicked on this?

To be perfectly honest, I really never expected much from Duke Nukem Forever in the first place. The trailers never really got me all that excited, and as more and more press came out about it I just got a more negative view of the game. The humour itself seems stuck in the 1990s. Maybe it's just me, but a game that centres around degrading women (and gays to a lesser extent) and massive amounts of base humour just isn't going to make a good game.

This game is awesome \^_^/

Yes I do find it funny and no I don't care what you think

what happened to rating games for gameplay and not just based on visuals? The game is fun to play, I mean obviously because people are buying it. The graphics are dated but critics should mention how the game plays and the story....

From that comment I can tell that you're one of those pansies who support gay people and hate it when people bash on women. And that's why this is being reviewed so badly. Society back in the 1990s didnt consist entirely of little bitches who whine because they're afraid of a little "base" humor. And until people start to grow their backbones back, this is the way it's gonna go for anything similar to DNF.

I agree. Look like some critic started on 80 by removed 20 out of the usual chart. (perhaps for make them wait 14 years...)
(Perhaps they waiting for a 14 years developpement to be polish as a jewel...)(perhaps they became gay playing too much on their i*Thing.)

DNF is not the game of the year (meh is allow) but it's should have at least 75-80 on 100. Even bad game get 70 on 100 so I can't really understand 49 on 100.

Game scores like that are nonsense and always have been though, if you're doing a scale from 0-100 then 50 should be an average mediocre game, with varying levels of badness/goodness either side of that, instead it works like 90+ for good games, 80+ for OK games and 70+ for bad games, with the rest of the scale being redundant.

Isn't it a sin to even look at Duke, after all he is soooo sexxy

@senkasaw
Where did 10+ years of dev get SC2?
The worst DRM in existence. Better graphics. Game engine (game logic, not graphics) on par with their previous release 6 years earlier (lacks functional water that WC3 has, 3 cliff-heights (WC3=16), 1/4 tile height resolution (compared to WC3)). Editor is an order of magnitude more complex when doing the same things compared to WC3.
SC2 has not become what they wanted, the ultimate eSport. And that's down simply to it not really being very good.

How is SC2 the worst DRM in existence? Have you ever had issues with installing or running it? Are you an idiot? Better graphics, better game engine (both graphics and logic), no reason to have more than 4 "real" terrain levels and you have just as much height to work with. It is a bit more complex, but you can do WAY more, and they are constantly making improvements and have a big editor release coming with HotS to simplify many things.

Also, SC2 HAS become the ultimate eSport. It is doing fantastically amazingly well. I reference you to MLG columbus from just about a week ago... which pulled in 16k attendees and another 450k+ people watching the stream online. And the amazing thing is... this was in AMERICA. Also, IGN has a SC2 league as well as numerous other leagues that are popping up. An equal number are around in europe and of course korea has the GSL.
Watch this and tell me you dont get excited watching it: http://tv.majorleaguegaming.com/vi [...] -pool-play
Basically, no... you're wrong.

PS: Duke wouldve been way better if it werent for the 2 gun-at-a-time limit and no duke boot.

people only really want to play good games, so people only really make good games.

when a game is bad, its REALLY BAD. and there are a few.

i personally think that a 1-10 rating system, that is weighted, and a final precent would be the best way to go.

like a fps gets a 30-40% of its rating from graphics alone (not realism, but how well it all flows, because its one of the few games thats selling point IS graphics) but a survival horror game would get weighted 30-40% on sound, and racing would get 50-70% on game play (good or bad graphics, good or bad sound, racing games live and die on game play alone, where others can get compensated from other aspects)

duke i believe (not haveing played it) is about
7/10 graphics
8/10 game play (personal taste)
10/10 music (if they dont fuck up the sound track, which i dont think they did)
and a 5/10 over all presentation (from what i hear of later levels.

coming in somewhere around a 7-7.5/10

The only thing we know is that 2K Games is weak at getting reviewers "wet" like EA and Craptivision.

Here's a cookie: http://dubiousquality.blogspot.com/2011/04/storm.html

Cheers!

This made me think of an interview about the movie Dude Where's My Car? I saw. He was talking about the reviews after the movie came out and he was like "What do you expect from a movie called Dude Where's My Car?"

I am also a liberal who dislike sexism and homophobia, and I am not very impressed by DNF, but those two aren't necessarily linked.
Duke Nukem 3D was a darn good shooter at the time, doing stuff that no other FPS had ever done. That is why Duke is such a hero today, not only because of the pixelated nude women and badass comments.
DNF just seems like the most haphazardly put together FPS of all time, with some design decisions that just leave you wondering what the team(s) were doing all those years. For instance, why the f.. has he rechargable health and a two weapon limit?? This is Duke Nukem FFS!

Seriously, the graphics blow.. I honestly would have given this game more praise if they stuck to the sprite-based system of the Atomic Edition. All they had to do was make another expansion and it would have been glorious. Minimum System Requirements: Pentium 60, 12 MB RAM.

All the critics need to get their heads outta their ass.

-Duke was never meant to be revolutionary.
-Duke was never meant to be "the best game ever made."
-Duke was never meant to be politically correct.


What was it meant to be?

-Humorous.
-An old school throwback.
-Silly.
-Just plain fun.

I played the game begining to end. Graphics were dated, levels were ok, mechanics were solid. But I can't tell you folks how many times I LOLed and even just plain laughed my ass off at how silly-retarded some of the skits and one-liners were. THAT is what Duke is.....just plain stupid fun.

Hopefully the money rolls in enough from this one and the studio can make another, more advanced one. They can make this one revolutionary, or even "the best game ever"....but sure as hell can't make it "politically correct"....cause then it wouldn't be Duke.

And to every single individual out there that gets offended by this game I say to you one thing...."Balls of FAIL."

People weren't necessarily after a greasy burger when they bought this. Ironically I was just at Burger King before I bought this, but I digress. What people wanted was closure. That, I think, is where a large bulk of the sales came from, at least PC side. The guy who blamed 2K games, you do realize 2K is a publisher, not a studio genius? Anyone dumb enough to ask "how could 14 years produce this?" knows just enough about the development in that it took 14 years but nothing beyond that. Without knowing why you're reaching too far for relevance to point that out.

What happened? George Broussard happened. Duke3D netted 3d Realms 20 Million. A lot for a PC game back then. George burned through that and a few million more obtained through other channels before the doors closed on 3D Realms in '09. Randy Pitchford left 3DR back in 98 to form what would eventually become Gearbox. Over time that studio absorbed 3DRealms employees fed up with Broussard's bullsh!t. Broussard would see a feature in some game and wanted it in DNF. To him DNF had to have everything, save nothing for a sequel and in a sequel laden market that mindset is self defeating. They should have done a nail-down and wrap-up in '01 when people still wanted Duke. All this info is out there if you look for it. Hell just look at old trailers to see what's been cut over the years. Gearbox picked up rights (and the staff) with little more than six month dust and went forward.

Now the world has changed and not all for the better. Today anti-heroes are supposed to have some sort of spiritual or emotional awakening at the end of a movie and be more humanized as a result (remember in Terminator 2 "I know now why you cry"). People are too conditioned to expect that. In itself not a bad thing. We want to see change for the better. Well that just ain't gonna happen with Duke. The margin of society who could at least get the humor just isn't as large as it was in '98. So I agree Duke is beyond his era. So the people who know what happened with the development and understand the societal changes will be the ones who set their expectations accordingly and best enjoy what could be the last hoo-rah for Duke.

Old school shotguns in multiplayer = instant win.
Stick to your bubblegum.

Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realise that wanting people to be treated with respect amounted to them being considered "whining little bitches." And guess what mate, this isn't the 1990s - this is 2011. Society has moved on, even if people like you would rather it hadn't. Disliking a game for going overboard on the base humour doesn't make one afraid of that sort of humour either. We just happen to actually have taste.

ALIENS are invading, and you're thinking he can just hug them and they'll stop?

Yes, it's over the top, but so were the original versions.

Haters can suck my balls of steel.
DNF, althought full of flaws(as are most games) delivered on what I wanted DUKE to be. To hell with all people who would have liked duke to stay in development hell forever, or cleaned up his act to be more exceptable.
DNF is made by a certain genre of people for a certain genre of people.
Are we not allowed to have fun as well?
If you take what makes Duke Duke away, where will that live us?
Allowing Duke to be Duke is a victory for America and the Constitution!
The people that hate him must also hate america and freedom?
You hear that?!
They want to tear down the flag and burn americas rights!
Just like terrorist.
Where's the real duke when we need him to punch some critics and their followers right in the jewels
Duke Forever FTW
Theres your morality lessons. Pussies dont win fights. And losers dont win wars. You need people like duke , so you can be a pussy and still stay safe in your home.

I think a lot of people are forgetting that this is just a game. It's not real. If you don't like or if you get offended by Duke's sense of humor then don't play the game.