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Pineview Atom is coming in time for CES.
We've been looking at netbooks and nettops based off of the Intel Atom N270 et al for a very long time, but soon there will be new chips to replace the old.
X-bit labs claims to have information pointing to a December 21 announcement for devices that will launch January 4, just in time for the Consumer Electronics Show.
The report goes on to state that Intel is planning for a quick transition from the old chips over to the new platform, which will feature faster performance and an integrated graphics core.
While much of this is still floating around in speculation space, the new parts are expected to line up as follows:
- - Intel Atom N450: single-core with Hyper-Threading support, 1.66 GHz, 512KB cache, x86-64, BGA437 package, $63 price-point;
- - Intel Atom D510: dual-core with Hyper-Threading support, 1.66 GHz, 1MB cache, x86-64, BGA437 package, $63 price-point;
- - Intel Atom D410: single-core with Hyper-Threading support, 1.66 GHz, 512KB cache, x86-64, BGA437 package, $43 price-point;
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In the age of 6 core CPU's, the latest news is about single-core (and dual-core) with Hyper-Threading support for 1.66 GHz CPU's. Actually, dual-cores with Hyper-Threading support is an interesting concept, but why just for the Atom?
Atoms are slow but if the Sony X cost half what it does I would buy one anyway. Pretty nice little kit. But for $1200 um, it isn't an i7
Am I missing something?
- Intel Atom D510: dual-core with Hyper-Threading support, 1.66 GHz, 1MB cache, x86-64, BGA437 package, $63 price-point;
- Intel Atom D410: single-core with Hyper-Threading support, 1.66 GHz, 512KB cache, x86-64, BGA437 package, $43 price-point;
The D410 and N450 look identical minus price. Is there a typo in there?
Intel Atom N450 has the same specs as Intel Atom D410.
The price is a bit higher than the Atom, but hopefully will reduce the overall cost of a netbook!
If netbooks like the EeePc901,and MSI Wind can be gotten for under $300 that would be awesome!
I also hope their battery life will make a huge difference!
Atoms are pretty slow, but they're not designed for speed, just the ability to fit in a small socket on a tiny motherboard. Nothing more, nothing less.
The fact that they're introducing Hyper-Threading into the smaller chips will give them a stronger hand (not that they need it) in the netbook market.
The fact that they also give 64-bit support begs the question when they will carry 64-bit operating systems. With most high-end ones carrying SSDs, throwing in 64-bit support will make these babys fly something fierce
In the age of 6 core CPU's, the latest news is about single-core (and dual-core) with Hyper-Threading support for 1.66 GHz CPU's. Actually, dual-cores with Hyper-Threading support is an interesting concept, but why just for the Atom?
because like you said... this is the age of 6-cores CPUs
but will it run [s]crisis[/s] osx 10.6.2?
because like you said... this is the age of 6-cores CPUs
Yeah, it is. If there was any news about it, you'd probably know that.
Mostly on the server market, but hey, news from a new reader on a news article, how reliable can that be?
AMD will be releasing 12-core CPU's in 2010, I'm sure Intel won't be far behind, unless they just want to keep working on their single core CPU's.
Am I missing something?The D410 and N450 look identical minus price. Is there a typo in there?
You should compare those with the existing Atoms, and you'll be missing even more!
Seriously, the numbers reported for these "new" processors are exactly the same as the existing lineup of Atom processors (yeah, they all have x86-64, but so do the 200 and 300-series of current gen Atoms).
Am I missing something?The D410 and N450 look identical minus price. Is there a typo in there?
The D's are for desktops, and the N's are for netbooks. I would guess that the D410 has a higher TDP/heat output, making it unsuitable for laptops, but fine for a desktop. The N450 is probably just a low-power version of the same processor.
The D's are for desktops, and the N's are for netbooks. I would guess that the D410 has a higher TDP/heat output, making it unsuitable for laptops, but fine for a desktop. The N450 is probably just a low-power version of the same processor.
Heat wouldn't be a problem if manufacturers would just apply better thermal compound and/or supply better heatsinks. Lower power is understandable, as that will increase battery life. Still, better storage capacities of batteries and the longer life of OLED's will provide more life than lower power of CPU's. Once that happens, say goodbye to the usefulness of the Atom processors.
anyone bought a netbook? what is the maximum memory supported? number of memory module slots & what type of memory ddr2 or ddr3? just wondering about the 64-bit support.
Heat wouldn't be a problem if manufacturers would just apply better thermal compound and/or supply better heatsinks. Lower power is understandable, as that will increase battery life. Still, better storage capacities of batteries and the longer life of OLED's will provide more life than lower power of CPU's. Once that happens, say goodbye to the usefulness of the Atom processors.
You mean, once we can get those into a reasonable price range. Atom is more than just low-power; it's also dirt-cheap.
... junk... waste of silicon...
At least they have HT support. With that at least they can use 2 or 4 threads, which could surely help performance.
Yeah, it is. If there was any news about it, you'd probably know that.Mostly on the server market, but hey, news from a new reader on a news article, how reliable can that be?AMD will be releasing 12-core CPU's in 2010, I'm sure Intel won't be far behind, unless they just want to keep working on their single core CPU's.
Atom is completely different. Its a super small, low power usage and low heat output CPU designed for small devices. Intel also plans to make one small based on Atom for cell phones and the like.
Their real CPU market is different. They will have a 6 core out soon (Core i9) that will have SMT giving it 12 threads which should be able to keep it in pace with AMDs Istanbul 12 cores (BTW they are MCM meaning they are 2 6 cores glued together like Intels C2Q). Core i9 will be a LGA 1366 drop in and as well Intel plans a 8 core soon but its not known if it will be LGA1366 or not.
But as for Atom, intel is just extending its lead in the market they created for Netbooks. People seem to gobble these up, when Verizon had them for free with a new triple bundle people only wanted the Netbook.
Will be nice to see the performance figures on these compared to current Atoms and whatever else is in the Netbook space as of now.
You mean, once we can get those into a reasonable price range. Atom is more than just low-power; it's also dirt-cheap.
This much is true. Intel gets about 2500 Atoms per wafer which is probably 10x that of a normal CPU thus reducing the costs to make them and in the end creating a super dirt cheap mobile internet device.
Maybe these will be Pinetrail Atoms with integrated graphics included? Just a guess that is probably wrong.
Atom is completely different. Its a super small, low power usage and low heat output CPU designed for small devices. Intel also plans to make one small based on Atom for cell phones and the like.Their real CPU market is different. They will have a 6 core out soon (Core i9) that will have SMT giving it 12 threads which should be able to keep it in pace with AMDs Istanbul 12 cores (BTW they are MCM meaning they are 2 6 cores glued together like Intels C2Q). Core i9 will be a LGA 1366 drop in and as well Intel plans a 8 core soon but its not known if it will be LGA1366 or not.But as for Atom, intel is just extending its lead in the market they created for Netbooks. People seem to gobble these up, when Verizon had them for free with a new triple bundle people only wanted the Netbook.Will be nice to see the performance figures on these compared to current Atoms and whatever else is in the Netbook space as of now.
Here's where this thread gets fun. Get your Thumbs Down clicking at the ready netbook fanboi's.
I have a HP DV4T using a spare 2.26 GHz Dual Core P8400 I got for free (replaced the original CPU of my sold laptop with the one I received with the DV4T), I undervolted it and applied Arctic Silver MX-2, and have the 12-cell battery - which lasts 5 hours with a 5400 RPM drive, and about 8 hours with the Corsair P128. I also got 4 GB DDR3 I got for free (left-over parts from a previous laptop I sold to re-imburse my DV4T purchase), what I sold on my previous laptop now has Windows XP 32-bit, and the 2 GB DDR3 memory I got with the DV4T. My previous laptop sold for $550, my new laptop bought for $525 after taxes (not including the Corsair P128). I also have Windows 7 Pro 64-bit installed.
Try beating that with your 1.6 GHz 32-bit Windows XP with 2GB DDR2 memory without a full-sized keyboard or optical drive on a 10" screen that weighs 3 lbs with a battery life of 3 hours at $400.
Newer Atom CPU's don't mean anything but more tools for their marketing department. Batteries and undervolting and good thermal compound and SSD hard drives > new Atom CPU's power consumption.
The D510 looks like it'd be nice in a computer. =)
Here's where this thread gets fun. Get your Thumbs Down clicking at the ready netbook fanboi's.I have a HP DV4T using a spare 2.26 GHz Dual Core P8400 I got for free (replaced the original CPU of my sold laptop with the one I received with the DV4T), I undervolted it and applied Arctic Silver MX-2, and have the 12-cell battery - which lasts 5 hours with a 5400 RPM drive, and about 8 hours with the Corsair P128. I also got 4 GB DDR3 I got for free (left-over parts from a previous laptop I sold to re-imburse my DV4T purchase), what I sold on my previous laptop now has Windows XP 32-bit, and the 2 GB DDR3 memory I got with the DV4T. My previous laptop sold for $550, my new laptop bought for $525 after taxes (not including the Corsair P128). I also have Windows 7 Pro 64-bit installed. Try beating that with your 1.6 GHz 32-bit Windows XP with 2GB DDR2 memory without a full-sized keyboard or optical drive on a 10" screen that weighs 3 lbs with a battery life of 3 hours at $400.Newer Atom CPU's don't mean anything but more tools for their marketing department. Batteries and undervolting and good thermal compound and SSD hard drives > new Atom CPU's power consumption.
Your story is kind of unique. Firstly, the DV4T starts at $579, so you must have gotten yours on sale. Secondly, most people do not have spare parts laying around, so don't use that in your argument against netbooks. Thirdly, $525 is a bit above the netbook market. Netbooks are usually $300-400, with the $500 end belonging to higher end Ions and whatnot. Finally, I'm not a netbook fanboy, I don't even own one, however I know what they are for and what there purpose is.
Your story is kind of unique. Firstly, the DV4T starts at $579, so you must have gotten yours on sale. Secondly, most people do not have spare parts laying around, so don't use that in your argument against netbooks. Thirdly, $525 is a bit above the netbook market. Netbooks are usually $300-400, with the $500 end belonging to higher end Ions and whatnot. Finally, I'm not a netbook fanboy, I don't even own one, however I know what they are for and what there purpose is.
Yeah, mine was on sale, with stackable coupons applied. You can get spare parts not just laying around, but you can get them cheap by trading for parts if you know where to look. I'm well aware $525 is above the netbook market, but my notebook that's $125 (forgot to mention the 14.1" HD screen) over the $400 market netbooks is a great deal. So, enlighten me, what are the netbooks purpose?
Yeah, mine was on sale, with stackable coupons applied. You can get spare parts not just laying around, but you can get them cheap by trading for parts if you know where to look. I'm well aware $525 is above the netbook market, but my notebook that's $125 (forgot to mention the 14.1" HD screen) over the $400 market netbooks is a great deal. So, enlighten me, what are the netbooks purpose?
Their purpose is to be a small, cheap, lightweight computer to go on the Internet while mobile, usually having higher battery life. They can usually do more, but that would depend on what specific model you get.
Their purpose is to be a small, cheap, lightweight computer to go on the Internet while mobile, usually having higher battery life. They can usually do more, but that would depend on what specific model you get.
So... a bigger version of the Apple Ipod Touch. I see. Or, you spend $125 more and you can do everything you would be able to do on a desktop while still remaining small, cheap, lightweight while having a higher battery life.
Yeah, mine was on sale, with stackable coupons applied. You can get spare parts not just laying around, but you can get them cheap by trading for parts if you know where to look. I'm well aware $525 is above the netbook market, but my notebook that's $125 (forgot to mention the 14.1" HD screen) over the $400 market netbooks is a great deal. So, enlighten me, what are the netbooks purpose?
Hahaha... Pretty clear you didn't get it, we all see that.
I'm writing this on a 9" netbook that is my primary machine since August 2008.
First of all it was the only PC I could afford, but much more than that, it was the most desirable, because of its battery life, because it is 9" and can thus fit in a very small backpack or be carried comfortably by hand (I go to university with my netbook by hand most days), and weights less than 1 Kg, which is the best feature if you ask me or anyone that like me lives with these little PCs on the go.
Since you speak of tuning PCs to get the most out of them, I can pretty much assure you that my system is at least twice as responsive as your theoretically more powerful one because I know how to deploy Linux from scratch, choosing only the components I want and basically controlling used memory down to the single Kilobytes. I have 512 Mb of memory and I can do so many things at once with them that I even don't use virtual memory anymore, saving life time for my 8 Gb internal SD memory, which also is by far enough since I leave all my data at home, on a Fit-Pc2 server always on consuming 7 Watts and basically letting me access all my files from anywhere in the world (dynamic dns is my friend: the machine has a comfy fixed URL linked to its dynamic IP).
You started the discussion blaming someone of being a "netbook fanboi", but you basically demonstrate to be the fanboi type yourself, just opposed to a concept instead of supporting, IMHO.
The main problem here is the chipset i think. You're making a 8W CPU and sell it with a chipset which consumes more than 30W. I think Intel needs to make a new chipset for these CPUs to get better netbooks. Also North and south bridge can be put together in single chip i think.
So let's wait for new netbook chipset from intel against Nvidia's ION.
Hahaha... Pretty clear you didn't get it, we all see that. I'm writing this on a 9" netbook that is my primary machine since August 2008.First of all it was the only PC I could afford, but much more than that, it was the most desirable, because of its battery life, because it is 9" and can thus fit in a very small backpack or be carried comfortably by hand (I go to university with my netbook by hand most days), and weights less than 1 Kg, which is the best feature if you ask me or anyone that like me lives with these little PCs on the go.Since you speak of tuning PCs to get the most out of them, I can pretty much assure you that my system is at least twice as responsive as your theoretically more powerful one because I know how to deploy Linux from scratch, choosing only the components I want and basically controlling used memory down to the single Kilobytes. I have 512 Mb of memory and I can do so many things at once with them that I even don't use virtual memory anymore, saving life time for my 8 Gb internal SD memory, which also is by far enough since I leave all my data at home, on a Fit-Pc2 server always on consuming 7 Watts and basically letting me access all my files from anywhere in the world (dynamic dns is my friend: the machine has a comfy fixed URL linked to its dynamic IP).You started the discussion blaming someone of being a "netbook fanboi", but you basically demonstrate to be the fanboi type yourself, just opposed to a concept instead of supporting, IMHO.
I'm hardly opposed to it. Perhaps if I was back in school studying and living off of peanut butter and jelly sandwiches I might need something to write my notes in that wasn't a pen and a paper notebook. Of course, spending $300 on a glorified note-taking device was probably something that would have helped me get through those years making me look cool.
Oh wait, knowing how to deploy Linux from scratch takes such skill! My, installing an open source operating system is so difficult, a good think you're in college, our world could use such smart people as yourself.
Your system is more responsive because it doesn't do anything but load your basic applications that you can't do anything with otherwise because of either a lack of processing power... not to mention Windows XP would provide longer lasting battery life over Linux. Hey, if you want to get into Linux and netbooks, start a thread, I enjoy a good prattle about something I've worked on for 8 years.
I'm hardly opposed to it. Perhaps if I was back in school studying and living off of peanut butter and jelly sandwiches I might need something to write my notes in that wasn't a pen and a paper notebook. Of course, spending $300 on a glorified note-taking device was probably something that would have helped me get through those years making me look cool.Oh wait, knowing how to deploy Linux from scratch takes such skill! My, installing an open source operating system is so difficult, a good think you're in college, our world could use such smart people as yourself.Your system is more responsive because it doesn't do anything but load your basic applications that you can't do anything with otherwise because of either a lack of processing power... not to mention Windows XP would provide longer lasting battery life over Linux. Hey, if you want to get into Linux and netbooks, start a thread, I enjoy a good prattle about something I've worked on for 8 years.
First of all, your first statement is negated by what followed it, so yes, you're clearly opposed to it, or (if you prefer) you don't like it, and (surely) you want to discredit it.
No, you can't surf the internet nor do image manipulation, watch movies, or use Geographical Information System software on a note-taking device. Netbooks can do pretty much everything you can do on every PC, as I was explaining, the matter is knowing how to do that.
If you speak of Windows XP giving better battery life than Linux, you clearly speak of pre-made Linux distributions, thus ignoring what making a Linux system from scratch actually means, despite the 8 years you declare to be working on the subject. In fact, how do you think possible, not to mention logic, that a tailor-made system, with tools ranging from manual, event-driven and scheduled control over cpu, disk, display, and memory, with a log-based file system, can be beaten by a general purpose OS with a general purpose power-managing service and a fragmentation-prone file system that wastes disk rotations each day more than the previous one? Come on.
Now that i think of it, maybe it's because even if I'm a "peanut butter and jelly sandwiches" college student (that's more like Italian food of first quality, each day, at half the price of your peanut butter, here in Italy), at 23 years old, I have 10 if not 11 years of experience with Linux and more than that with computers in general.
First of all, your first statement is negated by what followed it, so yes, you're clearly opposed to it, or (if you prefer) you don't like it, and (surely) you want to discredit it.No, you can't surf the internet nor do image manipulation, watch movies, or use Geographical Information System software on a note-taking device. Netbooks can do pretty much everything you can do on every PC, as I was explaining, the matter is knowing how to do that.If you speak of Windows XP giving better battery life than Linux, you clearly speak of pre-made Linux distributions, thus ignoring what making a Linux system from scratch actually means, despite the 8 years you declare to be working on the subject. In fact, how do you think possible, not to mention logic, that a tailor-made system, with tools ranging from manual, event-driven and scheduled control over cpu, disk, display, and memory, with a log-based file system, can be beaten by a general purpose OS with a general purpose power-managing service and a fragmentation-prone file system that wastes disk rotations each day more than the previous one? Come on.Now that i think of it, maybe it's because even if I'm a "peanut butter and jelly sandwiches" college student (that's more like Italian food of first quality, each day, at half the price of your peanut butter, here in Italy), at 23 years old, I have 10 if not 11 years of experience with Linux and more than that with computers in general.
I'm opposed to netbooks being hyped for the casual user, and those that aren't casual users supporting it for things it can do that the casual user doesn't. Just getting into hardware specifics, for $125 more, you're getting more bang for the buck for anyone that's not a "casual" user. You just described everything you can do on an Apple Ipod Touch, but you don't need a backpack for that.
Building a LFS system, while useful in many ways, still consists of a lot of management. Yeah, it's fun to keep up with it, but honestly, I can spend my time doing something more productive than keeping my OS in check. I'll let the mechanic change my oil for $20 for the convenience of me not having to to it (if I had a car).
Good for you kid, use that logic in your head to learn something more than maintaining an OS for surfing the internet and watching movies.
It doesn't need maintenance once set up well, I can't do nearly anything of that on an iPod touch, save from surfing the internet and watching movies IF putting it just right in front of my eyes, and as I said, it's not only a matter of bang for the buck, it's a matter of portability. When I'll have 125$ more, I'll buy a netbook costing 125$ more but with nVidia ION so that I can use GIS software with CUDA acceleration. But I still want my system to be as portable as a 9 (maybe 10) inches netbook of 1 Kg. Not more, not less than that.
True, if you spend time automating it, it's not as bad. Spending half a day to figure out what's going on sometimes just isn't something I look forward to happening.
The Ipod Touch has Google Maps and mapNinja, debating whether or not they're GIS or not, is another topic. I'm no Apple fan, but gave my gf an Ipod Touch, and it's quite an interesting product. It's also being utilized by the military for a lot more usage for field ops.
Regardless of handhelds, netbooks, or notebooks, I guess we can agree on one thing, it all depends on why and how we're using them.