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Editor's Corner: GeForce 9300 On The Web

Editor's Corner: GeForce 9300 On The Web
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Following Up Our Impressions

Though I can’t say I’ve ever really looked forward to the launch of an integrated graphics chipset, I’m certainly willing to admit when core logic with an onboard GPU is worth buying. AMD’s 780G was the first value-oriented platform I’d seen in a while that really deserved some attention. Not only did it hit an attractive price point under $100, but it also included capable graphics, hardware-accelerated video playback, and a solid array of display outputs.

Best of all, I thought, it supported SurroundView, AMD’s technology that lets you drop in a compatible discrete card and control as many as four displays through Catalyst Control Center. I’ve used the 780G’s SurroundView capability with X1650s, HD 3870s, and HD 4670s to similarly pleasant results. The fact that entry-level Phenoms are so affordable only serves to make the story better.

And while Intel isn’t really known for its low-priced quad-core chips, it doesn’t need to be—the company’s dual-core processors are plenty fast already. So when Nvidia started talking to us about its nForce 730i/GeForce 9300 platform, we wondered if the AMD solutions would finally be challenged by an entry-level platform for Intel processors (check out our GeForce 9300 review posted yesterday for more on the chipset itself).

Overall, I was impressed, though the lack of an official SurroundView-like feature left me leaning toward the 780G/790GX side of things. After circling back with Nvidia representatives, it turns out you can achieve the same thing with 730i. It just doesn’t have a marketing name—and we’re OK with that. So four displays with AMD or four displays with Nvidia; the two platforms are comparable there.

Also, as forum user Pei-chen reminded me, there is no Hybrid Power support available, suggesting this is core logic for someone either 1) sticking to integrated graphics or 2) at most using GeForce Boost. We confirmed this point with Nvidia. Little things to keep in mind as you weigh back and forth between an inexpensive AMD-based system and a entry-level Intel workstation.

Oh, and that reminds me—and this will satisfy the folks who wanted to see something more than an Athlon 64 X2 5400+ up against the dual-core E7200. I also received some feedback directly from AMD with a reminder that 790GX boards can be had for as little as $100 online, if you’re willing to take the Biostar route. Though I have no experience with that particular board, snagging it would let you also grab an entry-level Phenom X4 to put against our Core 2 Duo E7200 setup. But who knows, we may see less expensive i730 boards pop up a month down the road that’ll continue skewing the price comparison.

Around The Web

The GeForce 9300 itself really didn’t spring into the world with much fanfare. More folks focused on the fact that Apple has moved away from Intel core logic in favor of the Nvidia chipset. Nevertheless, I did manage to check out a handful of other stories and picked up on some interesting tidbits from other folks’ testing.

For instance, Geoff over at Tech Report brought up a detail that I neglected to mention. Whereas we tested the GeForce 9300 and GeForce 8500 GT in a GeForce Boost configuration, leveling both GPUs at the issue of graphics, you can also delegate the mGPU to handle physics calculations-only while the GeForce 8500 GT works on graphics on its own. This configuration is called Hybrid PhysX and is supported in the WHQL drivers that Nvidia distributed with its press kits.

Anand’s piece identified in more granular detail the issues we saw in our Sandra memory bandwidth benchmark, which indeed carried over to affect a number of our productivity-oriented tests (though his didn’t seem to be affected). The issue, according to his story, is that Nvidia hasn’t yet enabled the Advance Path feature—a memory controller prefetcher—that’d reportedly yield better latency results than what was seen. The fix is expected quickly, fortunately.

Finally, Shadow703793 asked in the comment section of our 730i piece and was promised some overclocking results. We didn’t try tweaking the 730i—and it seems like most of the other folks looking at these boards decided to focus on stock settings as well. However, Geoff did tweak his MSI board (the same one we used) and found that it was able to take his Pentium E2180 up to 3 GHz. So there Shadow, there’s not much overclocking detail floating around, but the board’s FSB does seem to be fairly flexible at least.

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    one-shot , October 16, 2008 5:25 AM
    I like this..+1 to whoever had the idea of answering questions in a follow up article.
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    Shadow703793 , October 16, 2008 11:28 AM
    Thanks man. Great work! Nice to know at least a basic OC could be achieved. A 3Ghz for a E2180 isn't bad as the chip is unable to OC beyond 3.25Ghz without heavy voltage.
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    wh3resmycar , October 16, 2008 1:59 PM
    about the advance path feature, will it be a bios update? or a whole new motherboard revision?
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    Anonymous , October 16, 2008 3:11 PM
    Excellent work, more of this.
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    snarfies1 , October 16, 2008 3:30 PM
    Agreed with above - I think I like seeing followup. Please, try it again sometime.
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    cangelini , October 16, 2008 5:43 PM
    wh3resmycarabout the advance path feature, will it be a bios update? or a whole new motherboard revision?


    This should be a driver update that fixes the problem Wh3res.

    Thanks for the feedback guys, appreciated.
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    sandmanwn , October 16, 2008 8:59 PM
    keep up the good work chris. things are looking up with recent articles. less and less to complain about and thanks for listening to your viewers.
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    Anonymous , October 16, 2008 10:02 PM
    +1 to Chris. Im not sure when u came into play, Mr. Angelini...but over the last month nearly, Toms has been on the up and up again for me. keep it up and big kudus to u all!
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    cangelini , October 16, 2008 11:03 PM
    Thanks guys.
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    computerninja7823 , October 17, 2008 2:29 PM
    awesome review, i think i will go pick one of the 730i boards!
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    krisna159 , October 17, 2008 7:46 PM
    awesome review..lets wait the board in market,maybe ill consider to upgrade my rig
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    Anonymous , October 18, 2008 5:15 PM
    And the overclocked IGP? Can you show us some results? The AMD 790GX can pass 1ghz and beyond on core clock IGP (see the Gigabyte GA-MA790GP-DS4H)
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    Anonymous , October 18, 2008 8:06 PM
    yeah, articles have been getting noticeably better... sometimes the subjects of the articles are still questionable... but i doubt the author has much to say about that
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    ibew112 , October 19, 2008 4:16 PM
    is this some plot to sell all the old 8 series geforce cards nobody wanted to buy ?

    ati is beating the crap out of nvidia and we care that the integrated graphics can almost sli with an old 8500gt

    if you have done your homework on nvidia's webite they show the performance gains and guess what it gives you the frame rate of an 8500gt
    they let you pick 4 or 5 combinations and they all give you a series 8 graphics card
    total loser next over something worth reading please

    a radeon hd3870x2 is under $200 lets stay in the future TOM geforce 8 was two years ago !
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    amdfangirl , October 20, 2008 5:14 AM
    ^ Just think of it this way. Your comparing a $200 graphics card to a ~ $80 motherboard and a $20 graphics card. Also many people cannot afford (or fit) such a graphics card. Integrated graphics are most popular for a reason. Not to mention HTPC *sleep*

    Good job THG for a nice follow-up article. Saves us some valuable time from having to read all those reviews ourselves.Instead of trying out just a Phenom or Athlon X2, try the best of dual and quad for the price range. Apart from that, nice article. Keep it up!
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    Pei-chen , October 20, 2008 7:19 PM
    amdfangirlGood job THG for a nice follow-up article. Saves us some valuable time from having to read all those reviews ourselves.Instead of trying out just a Phenom or Athlon X2, try the best of dual and quad for the price range. Apart from that, nice article. Keep it up!

    Indeed, I usually stop checking for replies after the 2nd page.

    It is pretty bad that Hybrid Power isn't supported. It doesn't matter that GTX 2XX series has lower idle power consumption compares with 48XXs', it still draw 30+ watts at idle.
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    amdfangirl , October 21, 2008 5:50 PM
    I suppose I'm gonna wait until the next round of Nvidia AMD boards supposedly meant to come. Hopefully by then they will have some Hybrid power. Mt 9600GSO isn't gonna feed itself with power.