AMD Ryzen 9 3900XT and Ryzen 7 3800XT Will Likely Arrive Without Stock Coolers

Wraith Prism RGB CPU Cooler (Image credit: AMD)

Arrow Electronics' German branch (via @momomo_us) has officially listed the unannounced AMD Ryzen 9 3900XT, Ryzen 7 3800XT and Ryzen 5 3600XT CPUs on its online store. The different OPNs (ordering part numbers) show that only the Ryzen 5 3600XT will come with a stock cooler.

While OPNs have become more cryptic over time, they still hold a lot of clues. In the case of AMD's looming Zen 2 CPUs, the Ryzen 9 3900XT and Ryzen 7 3800XT surfaced with the 100-100000277WOF and 100-100000279WOF OPNs, respectively. Generally, the "WOF" suffix in the OPN stands for ' without a fan,' meaning the corresponding processor doesn't come with an included stock cooler. The product description on Arrow Electronics also suggests this.

The Ryzen 5 3600XT, however, looks like it will still come with the Wraith Spire cooler that was originally included with the AMD Ryzen 5 3600X.

AMD Ryzen 3000XT Specifications

Processor	OPN	Cores / Threads	Boost Clock (GHz)	Total Cache (MB)	TDP (W)	CPU Cooler
AMD Ryzen 9 3900XT*	100-100000277WOF	12 / 24	4.7	70	105	N/A
AMD Ryzen 9 3900X	100-100000023BOX	12 / 24	4.6	70	105	Wraith Prism RGB
AMD Ryzen 7 3800XT*	100-100000279WOF	8 / 16	4.6	36	105	N/A
AMD Ryzen 7 3800X	100-100000025BOX	8 / 16	4.5	36	105	Wraith Prism RGB
AMD Ryzen 5 3600XT*	100-100000281BOX	6 / 12	4.5	35	95	Wraith Spire
AMD Ryzen 5 3600X	100-100000022BOX	6 / 12	4.4	35	95	Wraith Spire

*Specifications are unconfirmed.

Both the Ryzen 9 3900X and Ryzen 7 3800X come with the Wraith Prism RGB CPU cooler. While it's not the best CPU cooler on the market, the chiller possesses the necessary capability to keep the Zen 2 processors' temperatures under control in most situations.

Based on rumors, early benchmarks and leaks so far, the Ryzen 3000XT-series appear to feature improved clock speeds over the non-XT models. It's unknown if the new chips will bring anymore surprises under the hood. Preliminary listings on Amazon Italy suggest that the XT variants will cost a small premium.

The big question here is why would AMD suddenly opt to not continue include the Wraith Prism RGB cooler with the Ryzen 9 3900XT and Ryzen 7 3800XT. Perhaps AMD can shed some light on the issue when the chipmaker reveals the Ryzen 3000XT-series tomorrow, according to Amazon Italy.

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11 Comments Comment from the forums

Shadowclash10

That is weird.. I can kinda see why for the 3900XT there is no cooler, but a pretty big bummer that the 3800XT doesn't have a cooler...
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Prisoner #6

So they will have higher MSRP than current offerings, have only 100-200 higher clocks and come with no cooler. Not really a good value that I can see. Since current CPUs are coming at a significant discount to MSRP and are more than adequate then these xt parts are really a skip and wait for Ryzen 4000 parts this fall.
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hannibal

The point is that these have much higher base clock so they need much beefier cooler than non xt versions!
So definitely good that these have not stock coolers. If you need stock cooler, go for normal versions that will run cool enough even with stock cooler!
If you need more speed, buy Noctua and move on!
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JamesSneed

Prisoner #6 said:
So they will have higher MSRP than current offerings, have only 100-200 higher clocks and come with no cooler. Not really a good value that I can see. Since current CPUs are coming at a significant discount to MSRP and are more than adequate then these xt parts are really a skip and wait for Ryzen 4000 parts this fall.

These certainly are not going to be for the value minded. However we don't know actual pricing to determine if they are a bad deal or not.
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Darkbreeze

While it's not the best CPU cooler on the market, the chiller possesses the necessary capability to keep the Zen 2 processors' temperatures under control in most situations.

Sure, most situations, except those that involve the XFR2 or PBO boost profiles. It's about time AMD started admitting not just to themselves, but publicly, that these wraith coolers are merely a stopgap that allow you to start using the CPU right away but isn't intended to be capable enough for lifelong use as a daily driver cooling solution.

These coolers were never intended to be final solutions. They are certainly better than coolers from years past, but that's not saying much when we've doubled the core counts and added significantly higher boost and TDP profiles for some models. Regardless that some people seem to believe otherwise, or try to get others to believe otherwise, all four Wraith coolers I've worked with so far (And granted, four isn't a humongous sample, but it's enough) have been extremely loud and annoying under full load, but even at idle they tend to allow the temperatures to cycle up and down regularly which causes a singularly annoying hum that occurs at a specific harmonic that happens to have just exactly the right pitch to drive you right up the wall.

It wouldn't hurt my feelings to see these disappear from inclusion with all models other than the four core variants.
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thisisaname

The more I hear about these parts the more I think the 4000 series is going to be delayed well into 2021.
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mitch074

Darkbreeze said:
Sure, most situations, except those that involve the XFR2 or PBO boost profiles. It's about time AMD started admitting not just to themselves, but publicly, that these wraith coolers are merely a stopgap that allow you to start using the CPU right away but isn't intended to be capable enough for lifelong use as a daily driver cooling solution.

These coolers were never intended to be final solutions. They are certainly better than coolers from years past, but that's not saying much when we've doubled the core counts and added significantly higher boost and TDP profiles for some models. Regardless that some people seem to believe otherwise, or try to get others to believe otherwise, all four Wraith coolers I've worked with so far (And granted, four isn't a humongous sample, but it's enough) have been extremely loud and annoying under full load, but even at idle they tend to allow the temperatures to cycle up and down regularly which causes a singularly annoying hum that occurs at a specific harmonic that happens to have just exactly the right pitch to drive you right up the wall.

It wouldn't hurt my feelings to see these disappear from inclusion with all models other than the four core variants.
I don't agree - these are good coolers. If you don't overclock and use a properly ventilated case, they keep your CPU cool enough.
Of course, is you want to enjoy longer bursts under xfr2, or enable PBO, you need something better - but for normal use, these are good. Contrary to Intel coolers, you don't get throttling under normal operation.
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Darkbreeze

Since these CPUs were INTENDED to be used with XFR2 and PBO, it kind of makes having a cooler that isn't capable enough for those to work correctly, dumb. Not getting full boost and getting throttling, same thing. Semantics. They suck. You can have your opinion, I have mine. They don't have to be the same.

How many systems have you built using Wraith coolers and what CPUs did you use? 😏
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Math Geek

i'm already looking to replace the stock cooler for my new 3700x. that cycling of the fan up and down almost non-stop is crazy annoying. that hum is just the right frequency to bug me as it ramps up and down.

smart fan profiles has not made much of a difference, sure the cpu runs fine temps but i can't handle that fan noise anymore. and it's been less than 2 weeks!!!
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Darkbreeze

I couldn't tolerate the fan noise long enough to finish setting up the first system, much less the next two, and then the one that followed those. By the time Windows was installed I was calling the customer to tell them "We gotta get some CPU coolers. You're not going to like the way these sound." He came over, and agreed. Cut an extra check right then.
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