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Carmack "Happy" About Engine Licensing Biz

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id Software's John Carmack and Tim Willits are glad to be out of the engine licensing business.

Last year id Software revealed that it would no longer license its engine out to game developers unless they resided under the Zenimax roof. The move wasn't all that surprising given that the studio really hasn't farmed out the id Tech engine over the last decade or so, eclipsed by Epic Games who has seemingly marketed its Unreal Engine technology to the point where it dominates the gaming sector like Intel dominates the PC sector.

"It's interesting when you look at our technology licensing -- it was never really a business that I wanted to be in," id co-founder and lead programmer John Carmack admitted to Gamasutra. "In the very early days, people would pester us, and we'd just throw out some ridiculous terms, and we were surprised when people started taking us up on it."

"I didn't want to be in the process of supporting a lot of outside teams, because you feel beholden to not make radical changes when it's going to pull the rug out from lots of other people," he added. "When it's your own team, you can make the sensible decision that [a big change] is going to be worth it, that it's going to suck for a while, but we make our way through it. But you don't want to do that to other people."

Even if id decided to crank up the engine licensing machine once again (with Zenimax's blessing), the studio's new id Tech 5 is only good for certain types of games. Obviously it's built for RAGE, but Carmack said it wouldn't be ideal for Grand Theft Auto or even Bethesda's current and fifth Elder Scrolls title also in development in-house, Skyrim.

"The megatexture direction [in id Tech 5] has some big wins, but it's also fairly restrictive on certain types of games," he said. "It would be a completely unacceptable engine to do Skyrim in, where you've got the whole world, walking across these huge areas."

Carmack also gave a nod to FPS "competitor" Epic Games and the work it has done over the years to build an engine licensing empire.

"Epic's done a really good job of building up a support structure for [engine licensing]," he said. "The market was ours to keep, but we abdicated because we weren't willing to put that effort into it. We didn't want half our company to be about managing technology licensing. Epic has gone and done a great job with it."

In a separate interview, id Software creative director Tim Willits admitted that he was also glad to be out of the licensing business. "For us, it was such a burden off our back," he said. "Licensing is a big pain, it really is. ... We always wanted to focus on the games, so it was a nice relief for us not to have to do that."

Getting out of the licensing biz means that the studio can now focus on getting us some DOOM 4 in our hands pronto!

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    alidan , June 10, 2011 4:32 AM
    you know... all he is good at is building an engine, you would think that this would make him sad, as he cant do what hes good at and really show it off anymore.
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    jcurry23 , June 10, 2011 5:52 AM
    All he is good at is building an engine?? I don't know how old you are but he changed the gaming industry he brought the gaming industry out of side scrolling and 2d gaming.
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    Parsian , June 10, 2011 6:28 AM
    Just give me Doom 4 to see how much the engine is pushing the limits.
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    jcurry23 , June 10, 2011 6:56 AM
    Yes waiting for Doom 4 myself.
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    pocketdrummer , June 10, 2011 8:48 AM
    jcurry23All he is good at is building an engine?? I don't know how old you are but he changed the gaming industry he brought the gaming industry out of side scrolling and 2d gaming.


    You know that's great and all, and I salute him for what he did back in 1992, but that was over 19 YEARS ago. The man was responsible for a couple decent engines since then and had a part in making a few decent games, but he has yet to top that accomplishment. There are plenty of developers out there that make far better games than him.

    Just because someone strikes gold once it doesn't mean they'll strike it every time. The whole "king of gaming" title is getting old.
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    fatedtodie , June 10, 2011 9:56 AM

    You know who the heck cares about Carmack anymore. He lost all credibility when he went on his anti multi-core crusade, then gave it up when Microsoft paid him to work with the 360.
    He is a has-been and there are better out there.

    Back on subject of the story, Engine licensing is quite useful and the games that use the Unreal engine are proof of that. while it may not work for Id, who cares? They aren't a big player as they were in the early 90s.
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    JackFrost860 , June 10, 2011 11:46 AM
    talk about sour grapes :/ 
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    godmodder , June 10, 2011 12:51 PM
    It's true that Id isn't a big player anymore. On the other hand, that doesn't mean I lose any respect for a great programmer and engineer like Mr. Carmack. Any programmer that claims to be better than him is either godlike (unlikely) or full of arrogance.
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    markheber , June 10, 2011 1:19 PM
    John Carmack is literally a rocket scientist. He founded Armadillo Aerospace and developed their rocket engine and guidance system. And in his "spare time" he creates some phenomenal software.
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    jasonpwns , June 10, 2011 2:21 PM
    pocketdrummerYou know that's great and all, and I salute him for what he did back in 1992, but that was over 19 YEARS ago. The man was responsible for a couple decent engines since then and had a part in making a few decent games, but he has yet to top that accomplishment. There are plenty of developers out there that make far better games than him.Just because someone strikes gold once it doesn't mean they'll strike it every time. The whole "king of gaming" title is getting old.


    Not really, Call of Duty wouldn't exist the way it is without him, The Source engine may have never existed without him. Those are most likely besides the unreal engine the two biggest engines to this date. Please get facts straight, also rage looks better than any crappy unreal engine game...
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    valcron , June 10, 2011 3:06 PM
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    Not really, Call of Duty wouldn't exist the way it is without him, The Source engine may have never existed without him. Those are most likely besides the unreal engine the two biggest engines to this date. Please get facts straight, also rage looks better than any crappy unreal engine game...


    You just said no one else in the world would have developed 3D gaming if Carmack wasn't born. Think on that logical and realize how much BS it is.

    The fact is Carmack struck gold one and hasn't since. Does that make him a has been in gaming, in my mind, yes. Note: I said gaming not in the programming field. ID has not released a decent game in years. And when they try we get Doom 3.

    I have hopes for Rage, it looks good, but I with hold judgement until its released.
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    NightLight , June 10, 2011 4:18 PM
    for doom 4 to be a succes, it will have to be outrageous. if he keeps using the models and blocky 3d he's using now, it will FAIL. Doom 3 was a good example. Altough it had some good moments, it wasn't epic. The mood was certainly good, dark and deep. Time for carmack to give us unlimited worlds, unlimited buildings, no block/bump maps, realistic creatures (movie quality) Otherwise, it will be another forgotten, rush trough title.
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    hoofhearted , June 10, 2011 8:08 PM
    I would have thought he would have done just the opposite. I mean he is known for cutting edge and ground breaking programming techniques and engine designs. His game design was great back in the day, but compared to the variety in FPS style gaming today, well, I get bored with ID stuff pretty quickly.
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    fir_ser , June 14, 2011 8:59 AM
    Rational move by Carmack.
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    demonhorde665 , June 14, 2011 2:50 PM
    valcronYou just said no one else in the world would have developed 3D gaming if Carmack wasn't born. Think on that logical and realize how much BS it is. The fact is Carmack struck gold one and hasn't since. Does that make him a has been in gaming, in my mind, yes. Note: I said gaming not in the programming field. ID has not released a decent game in years. And when they try we get Doom 3. I have hopes for Rage, it looks good, but I with hold judgement until its released.



    AMEN to that , I'm in school for game art design , and i'm so sick of eharing this guy get creadit for "3d" games it's total horse S--- , 3ds max , one of the first 3d modelign programs was first developed in 1989 WELL AND LONG BEFORE ANY ONE EVERY RELEASED A 3D GAME. so indeed sayign carmak is the sole creator of 3d gaming is total, or saying modern 3d games wouldnt have exsisted with out ,him is all total bull S---. carmak had nothing, absolutely nothing to do with creating 3ds max , which is really what kick started 3d gaming