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The graphics card market has been quite intense lately up until now. With the clouds and dust settling after the AMD and Nvidia dispute, both contenders are playing on an even battle field – Or are they?
Coming this September 10, AMD plans to unveil its HD4600 series (RV730 XT / PRO) cards to directly compete with the Nvidia 9500 series. We will see two flavors brought forward as the HD4670 (RV730-XT) and the HD4650 (RV730-Pro). Both cards are manufactured on the 55 nm architecture at speeds of 750 MHz and 600 MHz. Each card will utilize 320 Stream Processing Units.
Some of the other technical, and notable features of the HD4600 series are as follows:
- PowerPlay 2.0 Functions
- Unified Video Decoder 2 (UVD 2
- Direct-X 10.1
- Shader Model 4.1
- Physics acceleration & Dynamic geometry acceleration
- 24X CFAA Technology
Another point worth mentioning is that new V3700 & V5700 FirePro specialized workstation cards are based off the RV730-XT (HD4670) technology. Both card editions will also have Macro Vision Detection (MVD) on them as well. Macro Vision Detection is a form a copy protection that is transparent while viewing media, but apparent when attempting to copy certain media from input sources. Typically the copied version has the quality substantially degraded.
| Kit
| Model
| Freq.
| Memory
| Bandwidth
| Pattern
| HDCP
| CrossFire
|
| B70901
| RV730 XT
| 750/1000
| 512 MB GDDR3
| 128-bit
| 16Mx32 dual rank
| Yes
| Hardware
|
| B66601
| RV730 XT
| 750/873
| 1 GB DDR3
| 128-bit
| 64Mx16
| Yes
| Hardware
|
| B66801
| RV730 PRO
| 600/500
| 512 MB DDR2
| 128-bit
| 32Mx16
| Yes
| Software
|
| B66501
| RV730 PRO
| 600/500
| 512 MB DDR2
| 128-bit
| 32Mx16
| Yes
| Software
|
| N/A*
| RV730 PRO
| 600/667
| 512 MB DDR3
| 128-bit
| 32Mx16
| Yes
| Hardware
|
Both the HD4670 and HD4650 utilize a 128-Bit memory bandwidth. No 256-Bit version has been mentioned as of current. The HD4650 coming with 512MB DDR2 and the HD4670 coming with a choice of 512 MB or 1024 MB DDR3. The HD4670 (RV730-XT) supports hardware crossfire while the HD4650 (RV730-Pro) supports software based crossfire at this time. It appears that there is a version utilizing the RV730-Pro technology that will support hardware crossfire, however at this time it is not set it in stone.
Power consumptions of the HD4600 series are relatively low at 70 to 80 Watts for the HD4670 and 50 to 55 Watts for the HD4650. It’s also worth mentioning the lack of external power connector on this series of card, which has its pros and its cons. Average systems housing 450 Watts or more should be just fine with this card. If you plan to run two cards in crossfire 550 Watts minimum is suggested.
Based on this information however, the 4600 series being a new release appears to be somewhat of a step backward. If you were to compare the specs of the HD4670 (RV730) to the older HD3870 (RV670) you would instantly notice the dial has been turned back on the specs, and what for? Let’s have a look:
|
| HD3870
| HD4670
|
| Engine
| 775 MHz
| 750 MHz
|
| Memory
| 1125 MHz
| 1000 MHz
|
| Interface
| 256-Bit
| 128-Bit
|
| Stream Processors
| 320
| 320
|
| Architecture
| 55n m
| 55 nm
|
| Transfer
| 72 GB/s
| 32 GB/s
|
| TDP
| 90 – 100 Watts
| 70 – 80 Watts
|
As you can clearly see, the HD4670 (RV730) appears to be a dialed back version of the older HD3870 (RV670). Seeing as the HD3870 is still readily available all over the web and in stores for a reasonable average price of $130 and the HD4870 for $270 – there may be little incentive to purchase this card. (Unless if the HD3800 series were completely phased out and not so readily available, the HD4600 series could take its place with a new price.) A real benefit to this card is quite possibly for a Home Theatre PC in a compact case stuffed into a ventilation restricted entertainment unit. Since the HD4600 series cards have lower wattage. With the lack of an external power connector, they certainly will not be generating much heat turning your case into an easy-bake oven.
Source : Tom's Hardware
i think it would be smart for ati to make the ultimate htpc video card with composite video, hdmi, video s, dvi and keep it around 60-80. that would be a good way to win that market
This is where the money is: mid-range cards for the masses. Judging from initial specs, though, it feels like a bit of a letdown. We'll see though.
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where are they, dude? I don't see them.
great...goot for a low power build...i wonder if it can handle up 1440x900 resolution on most games with eye candy enabled
It should - it seems like a slightly crippled 3870, which is hardly a bad card.
320 stream proccesors ... twice as much as the older mid-range...
doesn the 9500 series only have 32...the same as the old 8600...
I can smell a serious ass-whoopin for nvidia, if the price is right.
It should - it seems like a slightly crippled 3870, which is hardly a bad card.
I thought it looked more like a 3870, but using a little less power.
But it should be pretty good.
This is intended to be a mid-range card, and it looks to be a winner, this is light years beyond the previous generation mid-range cards. I don't see why people are comparing it to the previous generation high-end card. IMHO the 4850 is really not that expensive if you want the extra performance.
320 stream proccesors ... twice as much as the older mid-range...doesn the 9500 series only have 32...the same as the old 8600...
that's like comparing oranges to bowling balls...
[QUOTE]Seeing as the HD3870 is still readily available all over the web and in stores for a reasonable average price of $130 [...] – there may be little incentive to purchase this card.[\QUOTE]
You forget the price. The HD48-Series brings high-end graphics to mid-range prices. Therefore the new cards don't need to be able to run the higher resolutions. Therefore 128bit memory interface are enough. The new chip AND the narrow interface should make these cards really cheap.
In older games it should be fine at higher resolutions actually. I have targeted this card since word first leaked out. I had a HD3870 for two days, it was Rev 3 meaning it had the Zero Thermal cooling solution which was much too large for my narrow mATX board, I had to remove a tuner card.
However Aaron is wrong, I found that HD3870 from a link on Slickdeals.net It was from Micro Center here in Southern California. It was $119 before tax. I have NOT found one that is the original ATI reference board that I know will fit my motherboard for under $130. The HD3850 can be found for under $100, but this will eat it alive.
I could afford a HD4850 but I don't play games on a PC often enough to spend that kind of money for basically part time use and reduced use in 6-8 months down the road.
ATI also announced a few weeks back they are stopping production of the 3xxx series all together, so whatever is out there now is out there. I can't find another HD3870 for under $130 out the door, true single slot. Even so, turn on the filters and the FPS will drop, not so with the HD46xx cards and two HD4670 should beat a HD4850 and give a HD4870 a run for its money. Given the cost of the 9600GT at around $130, I would expect the HD4670 to come in around $10 less no rebate which would put the decision on the person buying, do I wait for the rebate on the Nvidia and pay $130 now or do I get the newest ATI "budget" card for $10 less no rebate involved and I assure you performance is close if not better than the 9600GT.
When we'll you guys get a test sample to put it through its paces and PLEASE test GRID with it. That's what I'm getting this card for...
This card should be under $100 like the 8600GT/GTS/9500GT. So It would be a good buy for the $400 gaming rigs I build..
..... I don't see any 6 pin video card slot on it..... I'm really interested in it's power consumption. Even the 3850 needs the 6 pin video card slot.
They seriously should make DDR3 cards only. DDR2 is going to hurt it.
The graphics card market has been quite intense lately up until now. With the clouds and dust settling after the AMD / Nvidia dispute, both contenders are playing on an even battle field – Or are they?
AMD to Strike Nvidia 9500 With HD4600 : Read more
This is rather weak, especially given the 4800s strong performance. At least make it strong enough to compete with something like the $90 8800gs/9600gso. 9500 is crap. What happens when you compare your new product with crap?
where are they, dude? I don't see them.
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Did you forget ATi HD3850/3870, they are faster than 8800GS/9600GSO; 3870 performs the same as 9600GT.
4600 is for low end segment, not for current high end gamers.
But source claim 4670 is almost as fast as 3850 256MB which is significant faster than 9500GT...
http://en.hardspell.com/doc/showcont.asp?news_id=3884
Actually at the end of the day you'll see that the HD4670 is faster than the HD3850 no matter what configuration your talking about. It will slot just between the HD3850 and HD3870 because once you turn on the filtering, the HD38xx cards will start to loose ground.
The HD3650 is not terrible it just didn't challenge Nvida, I am really starting think raw numbers are overrated, have nothing to do with actual gameplay and I fully agree with 3d Guru that anything above 30fps is playable. Some games use motion blur, they look faster anyway. What you want is a stutter free experience and over 30fps, 60fps is ideal and anything higher is for chest pounding, saying your dick is bigger and all those other things linked to testosterone. I don't need a HD4870. I ran GRID with a HD3870@1920x1200 AAx2 and while it didn't crest 60fps, it ran around 50fps and that was plenty fast enough for me to enjoy playing the game. The HD4670 will be almost as fast and we have no idea how much performance can be picked up from overclocking and using a more aggressive cooling solution. Pricing will be important as its aimed at the 9500GT (HD4650) and it should easily smash that, that card frankly isn't that great. It will be close to a 9600GT for $30-40 less and that's where 5-10fps difference in performance will be less important than overall price.
The headline is somewhat confusing: as the comparison show the 4670 should be only a little slower compared to the 3870 (at least for low resolutions where the transfer is not that important) and therefore about twice as fast as the 9500GT.
I wonder how some people here can already judge the card when prices are not known yet.
I think ATI should pull an Nvidia and just tweak the 3870 a bit and rename it the 4770 or something....
dont forget that the new 46x0 card will have same phenomenal aa of the new 4xx0 ati cards have. free 8x aa in resolutions up to 22" monitor. pretty sweet i think.
Why don't you compare it to the former midrange card (in terms of price/performance+features at launch)? HD3600?
"The HD4650 coming with 512MB DDR2 and the HD4670 coming with a choice of 512 MB or 1024 MB DDR3." Does Anyone else find this crap english really annoying?
its just too sad the 4600's wont have a 256 bit bus as had been speculated before on the web http://64.233.179.104/translate_c? [...] Wz5_71cktA
Plus i think DDR2 should have been made a thing of the past ages ago. this card was supposed to be released with DDR4 and maybe ddr3 for the cheaper version
When are these cards supposed to come out?
Sept 10th is the day, we'll see if they are available next week either before or after that date. DRR2 in the HD4650 insures it will cost about $100. That is most likely a 256MM version and should be under $100. The HD4670 512MB DRR3 will go for around $120-125 and the top dog should be the HD4670 1GB DRR3 just about $150. People keep saying the HD4850 is cheap, I beg to different. Cheap for whom? Its a $170-190 card and yes many people think (including myself) that $200 for a graphics card is just too much, especially since I still roll with consoles for most of my gaming purposes.
Both cards will surrpass the HD3650 which isn't all that bad of a card, just not faster than the 8600GT. But ATI has responded with a card that's not only faster than the 8600GT, but 9400 and 9500GT and fairly close to 9600GT with no rebate making it an attractive option.
I will pick one of these up next week or whenever it becomes available
too bad that ATI dely these cards until 10 september, many will buy 9500gt
They are aiming at the christmast market... they are not too late, if they can provide enough of them.
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