Radeon HD 4830: High-Speed, Cheap CrossFire

A Closer Look At The Radeon 4830

It’s pretty common knowledge by now that the Radeon HD 4870 and Radeon HD 4850 are both based on the RV770 graphics processor. We’ve dug into the Radeon 4800 series architecture in Fedy Abi-Chahla’s review AMD Radeon HD 4850: Smarter by Design? , so we won’t go into the guts of the RV770. But to refresh your memory, the RV770 chip offers 800 stream processors, 40 texture units, and 16 raster operator units paired to a 256-bit memory bus. Both the Radeon HD 4870 and 4850 models feature the same graphics processor, while the faster 4870 model offers higher clock speeds and faster GDDR5 memory compared to its 4850 sibling.

However, the new Radeon 4830 is a little different. Its graphics processor is called the RV770 LE. But it’s not really a new part--it’s the same 55 nm R770 GPU, but with some of its functionality turned off. Instead of 800 stream processors, the RV770LE offers 640 stream processors. Instead of 40 texture units, the RV770 LE offers 32. Thankfully, AMD left all of the 16 raster operator units functional in the RV770 LE, so the GPU retains some of its original prowess.

Everything else has been untouched, so all of the features offered in the Radeon HD 4870 and 4850 remain in the 4830: its Unified Video Decoder 2. 0, HDMI 7. 1 audio over HDMI, DirectX 10. 1, Shader Model 4. 1, CrossFireX compatibility, and PCI Express (PCIe) 2. 0 signaling support. Let’s look at a chart to better illustrate the differences between the 4800 models:

Radeon 4800 Series Comparison
Card: Radeon 4830Radeon 4850Radeon 4870
GPU: RV770LERV770RV770
Process: 55 nm55 nm55 nm
Stream Processors: 640
800
800
Texture Units: 32
40
40
ROPs: 16
16
16
Memory Bus: 256-bit256-bit256-bit
Core Speed MHz: 575
625
750
Memory Speed MHz: 900 (1, 800 DDR) 993 (1, 986 DDR) 900 (3, 600 DDR5)
DirectX /
Shader Model:
DX 10. 1 /
SM 4. 1
DX 10. 1 /
SM 4. 1
DX 10. 1 /
SM 4. 1


As we can see, while the clock speeds of the new 4830 most closely resemble those of the 4850, the newer card still has a 50 MHz core and a 93 MHz memory speed deficit. With fewer stream processors paired with lower clock speeds, the Radeon HD 4830 will probably need quite a bit of overclocking to reach the performance of its bigger brother. On the plus side, the R770 was designed for higher clock speeds in mind, so the RV770 will likely have quite a bit of overclocking overhead.

Let’s also have a quick look at a comparison between the specs of the new 4830 and its arch-nemesis, the GeForce 8800 GT/9800 GT:

Radeon 4830/GeForce 9800 GT comparison
Card:
Radeon 4830
GeForce 8800 GT/9800 GT
GPU:
RV770LE
G92
Process:
55nm
65nm
Stream processors:
640
112
Texture Units:
32
56
ROPs:
16
16
Memory bus:
256-bit
256-bit
Core Speed MHz:
575
600
Memory Speed MHz:
900
(1, 800 DDR)
900
(1, 800 DDR)
DirectX /
Shader model:
DX 10. 1 /
SM 4. 1
DX 10. 0 /
SM 4. 0


Because the G92 is a little older, it’s made with the 65 nm process compared to the 4830’s 55 nm process. This might give the 4830 an edge when it comes to power usage, keeping the temperatures lower, and when overclocking.

When we look at the number of stream processors, the 4830 appears to have five times the power of the 8800 GT. This is extremely misleading, as the 8800 GT and 4830 architectures couldn’t be more different. We do know that the 128 stream processors in the GeForce 9800 GTX+ allow that card to perform roughly equivalent to the 800 stream processor-equipped Radeon 4850. With this in mind, the 8800 GT and Radeon 4830 should definitely be in the same ballpark as far as shader power is concerned. On the flip side, the 8800 GT looks to have almost twice the texture units of the 4830. But once again, the two cards have such wildly different architectures that this likely won’t manifest itself in a colossal advantage. Everything else looks identical: 16 raster operator units, a 256-bit memory bus, and 900 MHz GDDR3 memory are specifications both cards share.

It’s very important to note that in this review we benchmarked the Radeon HD 4830 not against a reference 8800/9800 GT, but against the factory-overclocked Gigabyte 8800 GT TurboForce edition. This particular card has a full 100 MHz graphics processor overclock to 700 MHz compared to the stock 600 MHz speed, and a 20 MHz memory overclock to 920 MHz compared to the stock 900 MHz speed. We use this card because there are a lot of overclocked 9800 GT cards out there at the 4830’s price point, so we wanted to paint a worst-case scenario for the new 4830.

Now that we have a good idea of what the Radeon HD 4830 is all about and how it sizes up against the competition, let’s scrutinize some of the flavors being offered by PowerColor and Sapphire.

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    Great look into the 4830. Makes me want to buy a Xfire setup using these.
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  • Doltron
    If you couldn't get Tray Tools to work with the Sapphire card why not use another program? Instead of giving up and coming up with a lame conclusion.

    Also 993*2 doesn't equal 1885 and the 4870 is clocked at 750 not 780.
    Your sound and temp charts have FPS on their X axis.
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  • hannibal
    It's nice to see good cards from both companies, ATI and NVidia!
    And the price is not bad at all. The competition is so good!
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  • neiroatopelcc
    The chart on page two sais 4850 runs at 625 - but stock is 600, and 4870 at 780 - which is 750 stock ... so is the 4830 speed correct?
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  • cangelini
    Numbers and charts are corrected.
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  • cangelini
    Actually stock clocks on the 4850 *are* 625. :P
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  • V3NOM
    I'm sure i saw that "4850 - smarter by design" article at anandtech first. or somewhere else... the name anyway not necessarily the article >.>
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  • giovanni86
    I knew that the 8800GT wasn't that fast, but those benchmarks ahve to be wrong... Sorry Nvidia fan boy here. Bye.
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  • V3NOM
    Um actually, the MSI runs at x16/x8 in SLI mode. If you instead got an evga 750i FTW motherboard, you would find it runs at x16/x16 in sli, thanks to its unlocked NF200 chip. the 750i FTW is not a reference nvidia board as the MSI is.
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  • V3NOM
    LOL at 1680x1050, the 4870X2 IMPROVES when 4xAA is added? i smell a rat...
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  • cangelini
    Which test are you talking about, Venom? is added? i smell a rat...
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  • daskrabbe
    Far cry 2
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  • cangelini
    daskrabbeFar cry 2


    In Far Cry 2 there is a .8 frame difference, and shifting to 1920x1200 costs 2.1 frames at 4xAA. This is a processor bottleneck. In other words, performance is similar with and without anti-aliasing applied because the graphics card is nowhere near taxed at that resolution or the one above it.
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  • kelfen
    Nice article ATI has really been on the move in all price ranges in creating compitition I would think the next gen cards are going to be a die strink if you look at how they got 4xxx. 3xxx die shrink and 4xxx beef up in power for competitive cards/price.
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  • neiroatopelcc
    cangeliniActually stock clocks on the 4850 *are* 625.

    Oh my bad. I mixed up the numbers with some on g92 chips (just bought 28 9600gt's yesterday)

    Anyhow - the 4870 is 750, not 780 - at least they were when I bought mine.


    ps.
    "On a side note, we will mention that GRID is one of those games that really does require AA for the best visuals. Happily, the game engine seems very easy on the video cards and even the single-card configurations were able to provide 4xAA with playable frame rates."
    I want to add that this is only true for current generation cards. My dad's p4 with a 7600gs can only run it with grahpics at very low @ 800x600 - though he runs suppreme commander just fine at 1024 ...
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  • cangelini
    neiroatopelccOh my bad. I mixed up the numbers with some on g92 chips (just bought 28 9600gt's yesterday)Anyhow - the 4870 is 750, not 780 - at least they were when I bought mine.


    Yup, you're right--the chart was originally incorrect, but I went back and corrected that spec, along with the memory frequency mentioned by Doltron.

    Curious to hear how your dad's system runs SC no sweat at 1024. This is one of those ones that consistently drops test platforms to their knees. He actually gets playable frame rates on a P4?
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  • neiroatopelcc
    yes he does. Mind you it's not with aa on or anything set at max res. But he plays it just fine. He doesn't have the expansion though - doesn't play it all that much. Dunno if the expansion makes any difference.
    His rig (2.4 northwood, 2gb pc3200, 7600gs on a cantherwood chipset) plays test drive, age of empires 3 and supreme commander at playable levels, but doesn't do grid playable. I suppose he'd have a chance at grid if we'd oc the cpu, but last time we ran 3,2 I ended up breaking their c:\windows\system32\config\system file ... and he didn't like that.
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  • JAYDEEJOHN
    Would have loved to see this with the new Cat 8.12's, as theyre getting much better performance than the 8.10's.
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  • cleeve
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    jaydeejohnWould have loved to see this with the new Cat 8.12's, as theyre getting much better performance than the 8.10's.


    Yeah, unfortunately the 8.12s just came out and this article has been a long time in the making. :)
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  • cleeve
    DoltronIf you couldn't get Tray Tools to work with the Sapphire card why not use another program? Instead of giving up and coming up with a lame conclusion.


    Mostly because the card didn't seem to be able to get past 690 MHz core without problems in the Catalyst Control Center, so there didn't seem to be much point in persuing overclocking much further.

    But for the sake of completeness I can give Rivatuner a shot this evening and see if anything changes. I'll let you know. :)
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