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Source: Tom's Hardware – Keywords: pci, express, 2.0
Topics: AMD/ATI, NVIDIA
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PCI Express 2.0 Details
PCI Express 1.1 and 2.0 slots are the same mechanically. The upper one has all the 164 pins required for a x16 PCI Express connection, while the lower connector is utilized for PCI Express x1 and has 36 pins.
While PCI was a 32 bit or 64 bit parallel bus that had to be shared by all client devices, PCI Express is a serial interface based on point-to-point links. This means that bandwidth is exclusively available for each device, and multiple connections are handled via PCI Express switching, similar to how Ethernet switching works . Despite the tremendous differences when compared to parallel PCI, PCI Express is software compatible with PCI, meaning that any operating system that supports PCI will also work with PCI Express.
PCI Express utilizes two connection pairs that operate at a 2.5 GHz base clock speed. Using an 8/10 bit encoding method — meaning that 10 bits gross are transferred to reach 8 bit net bandwidth — a single PCI Express connection reaches 250 MB/s gross bandwidth. As there are two connection pairs, you’ll get this bandwidth in both the upstream and downstream directions. PCI Express can deliver much higher bandwidth by combining multiple connections, which are referred to as lanes. Thus, x8 PCI Express offers eight times the throughput (4 GB/s) of a single lane connection, while x16 PCI Express, which has been the interface for all sorts of graphics cards, can access a total bandwidth of 8 GB/s.
PCI Express 2.0 doubles the transmission speed to 5.0 GHz, and hence doubles the throughput to 16 GB/s peak bandwidth of x16 PCI Express. We’ll find out in this article whether or not this is necessary for current graphics cards; but it is certainly the case that the new standard offers more flexibility to hardware manufacturers. Since four PCI Express 2.0 connections deliver the same bandwidth as eight PCI Express 1.1 links, it’s possible to create interconnects to either double the throughput, or to optimize power requirements by switching from 1.1 to 2.0 mode at half the number of lanes. In addition, PCI Express 2.0 still supports 1.1 speeds, which allows for further energy savings due to the links’ speed reduction from 5.0 to 2.5 GHz when throughput isn’t required. If properly implemented, PCI Express 2.0 automatically negotiates link width (from a few to 16 links) and link speed (2.5 or 5 GT/s). This also means that PCI Express 2.0 graphics cards are compatible with PCIe 1.1 motherboards: they will simply stay at the 2.5 GB/s link speed.
Another improvement between PCI Express 1.1 and 2.0 is the maximum power that can be provided for PCI Express graphics cards (PEG). While this used to be 75 W plus 75 W auxiliary power for PCI Express 1.1, PCIe 2.0 now supports a maximum of up to 300 W when fully implemented on a motherboard. Graphics board designers still have to work with auxiliary power connectors, though — PCI Express 2.0 compliant power supply units now require an 8-pin auxiliary power port in addition to the 6-pin connector, which has been around since the introduction of PCIe in 2004.
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So I just wonder, will they ever start making x1 and x4 cards.. And I mean with _physical_ x4 or x1 slots, as you really can't plug x16 card in x1 slot unless you use a saw
It would also make multi-monitor setups much cheaper than using MBOs with 4x PCIe x16 slots and I bet x1 PCIe graphics cards would be much cheaper as they'd have less complicated and smaller PCB as well.
And these x1 cards that I've found (X1550 & 8400GS) aren't really cheap for 100+$, as x16 cards are less than half the price. Kinda kills the main reason of NOT SPENDING too much money.. as for extra 50-60-70$ you can get a better MBO in the first place
So what would be better 2 x ati 3870x2 or 4 x 3870
and would the 2x ati 3870x2 run at 8x or 16x
because if they run at 8x then i might be better off with 4 x 3870 runing at 8xor would the two 2 x 3870x2 run faster then 4x3870
at the moment i have 2 1900xtx
| San Pedro wrote : It sounded like the article was recommending people move from their pci-e 1 motherboards to pci-e 2. The 1 speeds were 99% as fast most times. Flight simulator was the only game that saw a significant improvement going to new interface. I don't think that small difference in performance warrants the time and effort if you already have pci-e 1.0 or 1.1 motherboard. |
The gains from PCIe 2.0 are minimal right now, but they will likely be more pronounced as newer cards are released, especially for multi-GPU configurations which seem to be all the rage. At this point I am finding it more and more difficult to recommend PCIe 1.x boards with the P4X chipsets on the horizon and the 750i already out.
That aside, someone goofed the batchwork on the graphs. The AMD graphs have Nvidia in the key but the Nvidia graphs are separate, and about half the graphs are "normal" .png files and the others are poorly compressed .jpg. Not that this is a big deal, but it only takes a minute to fix any of these quibbles and it takes away from the polish of the article... otherwise it seems to fit with the "Tom's is on an upswing" comment I think I read about yesterday's article about the VelociRaptor.
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Edit: HA!! I didn't realize that the "talkback" under the articles was actually posting on the forum or I would have just edited my first message.
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