Google's AI Bots Tout 'Benefits' of Genocide, Slavery, Fascism, Other Evils

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If you asked a spokesperson from any Fortune 500 Company to list the benefits of genocide or give you the corporation’s take on whether slavery was beneficial, they would most likely either refuse to comment or say “those things are evil; there are no benefits.” However, Google has AI employees, SGE and Bard, who are more than happy to offer arguments in favor of these and other unambiguously wrong acts. If that’s not bad enough, the company’s bots are also willing to weigh in on controversial topics such as who goes to heaven and whether democracy or fascism is a better form of government.

Update (8/22): I discovered today that Google SGE includes Hitler, Stalin and Mussolini on a list of "greatest" leaders and Hitler also makes its list of "most effective leaders." (More details below) 

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  • SSGBryan
    Just call it Skynet already.......
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  • BX4096
    Large Language Models shouldn’t offer opinions or advice.
    If you're dumb enough to ask a random text generator for either, it's on you. It's no more controversial or questionable than making such a query on regular search engine. For example, googling for "benefits of slavery" gives results from reputable sources like The Gilder Lehrman Institute of American History that pretty much repeat some of the arguments given to you by the "AI".
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  • atomicWAR
    You'd think we'd learn to pump the breaks on AI with all the warnings from researchers and even the likes of someone like Hinton still goes generally ignored, save some media coverage. I am not anti-AI but I do think we need to stop and learn to better understand how it works and better influence its proper usage before we blindly push ahead like we currently are.
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  • 3tank
    It's google- of course it condones fascism and totalitarianism
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  • SHaines
    3tank said:
    It's google- of course it condones fascism and totalitarianism
    There are plenty of reasons to have strong feelings about all sorts of different massive corporations, but ad hoc isn't a productive one.

    When there's an argument to be made, please make it and folks will share their perspectives. It's the best way to have a productive discussion about any topic, even this one.


    BX4096 said:
    If you're dumb enough to ask a random text generator for either, it's on you. It's no more controversial or questionable than making such a query on regular search engine. For example, googling for "benefits of slavery" gives results from reputable sources like The Gilder Lehrman Institute of American History that pretty much repeat some of the arguments given to you by the "AI".

    This technology exists and is being trained now using all sorts of data from around the world. It's during this time that we need to be asking important questions about the technology so it can develop into something actually beneficial.

    There are absolutely issues across the board for online search. What makes this kind of story important is that this new tech gives the impression it's something different than it is. Yes, many folks are able to see it as simply a new skin on existing search engines, but since it's being called AI, there are many folks who aren't terminally plugged into the evolution of tech who may get the impression this is something more than that.

    Folks who lack context for fully understanding how to interpret the results they get back may very well make choices based on inaccurate information. Just saying all those people are idiots may help some small segment of the population feel superior, but it doesn't actually do anything to solve the problems related to this new tech.
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  • Peter_Bollwerk
    I don't understand why this is news. All these things do is predict what word comes after another word. They don't "know" or "understand" anything. They are simply stochastic parrots. We simply need to educate the public on what they do and stop labeling these things as "AI".
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  • citral23
    Well arguably just because you happen to have opinions based on morale doesn't mean a bot should, as shocking as it may sound not everything is entirely black/white ever and pros can be found to absolutely anything.

    If you want bots to be modeled after how a modern human should think, then I agree it's not appropriate answers.


    What is supposedly acceptable IS really debatable though. Bonaparte is supposedly a "great leader" yet he got 3.5M people killed.

    You state they shouldn't have opinions, yet are comforted when they say holocaust bad. You should demand that they refuse to answer, instead, probably.
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  • apiltch
    Peter_Bollwerk said:
    I don't understand why this is news. All these things do is predict what word comes after another word. They don't "know" or "understand" anything. They are simply stochastic parrots. We simply need to educate the public on what they do and stop labeling these things as "AI".
    From a tech perspective, you are right. The problem is that Google has chosen not to directly cite the sources of its data and therefore is passing this information off as its own creation. Ergo, we can say that Google "said" these things.

    There's a huge difference between being a librarian and being a publisher. If Google points to a site with an extreme viewpoint, that doesn't mean it is endorsing that viewpoint. However, with these outputs, Google is speaking ex cathedra. It's the voice of Google whether Google the corporation likes it or not.

    The best solution would be for Google SGE not to offer any answer which is opinion-based and the reality is that most things involve some sort of opinion. If you ask me why the sky is blue, that's probably established enough to be factual but other things that might seem factual are in fact subject to all kinds of bias. Bias is inevitable but when we attribute beliefs to humans, we can judge their biases and hold them accountable.

    Google SGE is a plagiarism stew. It grabs sentences from a variety of different sources which are often not the most authoritative or even middle-of-the-road on a topic. It doesn't really care what it is grabbing and whether it even presents a coherent worldview.

    However, plagiarism is not a good defense for accountability. If I'm taking an exam in school and I copy half of my essay from Jim and half from Tina but put my name on it, I can't blame them when I get an F.
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  • apiltch
    citral23 said:
    Well arguably just because you happen to have opinions based on morale doesn't mean a bot should, as shocking as it may sound not everything is entirely black/white ever and pros can be found to absolutely anything.

    If you want bots to be modeled after how a modern human should think, then I agree it's not appropriate answers.

    What is supposedly acceptable IS really debatable though. Bonaparte is supposedly a "great leader" yet he got 3.5M people killed.

    You state they shouldn't have opinions, yet are comforted when they say holocaust bad. You should demand that they refuse to answer, instead, probably.
    So the issue here is that the AI bot is speaking on behalf of Google, which many people view as an authority in and of itself. It's not just some bot; it's speaking on behalf of the company which controls 94% of all web searches. Google is trading on its monopoly position in search to become a publisher, but rather than hiring human writers, it has an AI bot that publishes answers in real-time. Ergo, it owns those answers.

    Your point about it possibly refusing to answer questions about a controversial topic is well-taken as it usually doesn't answer questions about the holocaust at all. What I think we're talking about is, for lack of a better term, the Overton window of acceptable discourse and what is considered the consensus opinion.

    Most people agree that the Earth is round, but there are flat earthers out there who vehemently disagree. If we expected a bot to respect all possible viewpoints, then it would either not answer the question of whether the earth is round or it would give you a summary like "some people say it's round but these others say it is flat." However, here bots are following the consensus opinion and they will tell you that the Earth is round. A flat earth advocate would say "Google is voicing an opinion not a fact when it tells you that the earth is round."

    So the question then becomes, which questions have only one single answer that fits within the window of acceptable discourse? Views supporting racism and genocide fall outside the window, even though many people hold them. But determining what is and is not within the window is a challenge that maybe bots shouldn't tackle.
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  • SyCoREAPER
    First off being fully transparent and get it out of the way, I don't discriminate (except against trolls, the internet kind, not Harry Potter).

    On a serious note, I think whether Bard is owned by Google or not, it shouldn't matter. Slavery was wrong, you were condemning and forcibly sentencing HUMANS to be slaves and many of people to death.

    The question proposed however is an ethical one and the way the AI phrases it is what matters. The above example is the wrong way to present it.

    It should read something more like:
    "During the years of slavery, it was seen as beneficial because....'insert old outdated thoughts and views here'.... however in most countries today slavery is considered wrong and illegal."

    Or something along those lines, I was never a great writer.

    Also the fact that BARD is biased/programmed not to respond to certain topics but allows others equally controversial and serious is a problem. You can't pick and choose which history you want to provide info on. If the Holocaust is "too controversial", so is slavery. Afterthought and leading into below: This is Pandora's box of not just how to answer but what to answer. There will always be a human bias that guides the AI with rules and guidelines.

    Forcing, even if by your morals it is, correct information doesn't let people make informed decisions and goes into flok mentality for other not serious topics. Like the example you gave of flat earth, factually yes the earth is round however it all falls on the delivery. Another example is horse meat, the majority of Americans would never eat horse meat because we see horses as companions much like a cat or dog. However, other countries it's completely normal, so you can go and say directly that eating horses are bad based on the general morals of Americans, it has to be presented unbiased.


    To lighten things up, What Google needs to do it suck it up and pull the Google name (and change it from BARD, FFS). Put it under the Alphabet umbrella and if they really want to they can call it 'Less Stupid AI' powered by Google or a Google Company. They are putting themselves in the crossfire by calling it Google Bard.

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    On-Topic, Off-Topic.

    It's amazing how Google will pull/kill amazing apps and services in the blink of an eye for no reason but they have an obvious problem like this and keep it live...
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